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Re:How an early oil industry study became key in climate law... by rybosworld on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:29PM (#33805261)
I'd be surprised if anyone tried to argue that fossil fuels have been anything less than instrumental in achieving our modern comforts.

The issue is:

1. Oil companies knew about fossil fuel harm to the environment, and then lied about/tried to cover it up. They've directly played a role in climate misinformation. They've done that so well that we now have armies of people with no relevant knowledge on the topic arguing that climate change is a hoax.

2. If the danger of fossil fuels was acknowledged long ago, we could have prepared for it in advance. This would have eaten into profits, hence the motivation to deny it's a problem.

Re:How an early oil industry study became key in climate law... by edgyquant on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:48PM (#33805592)
I’ve met very few people who believe climate change is a hoax. The belief is that the climate is not static and that it’s better for humans to adapt (as they always have) than to commit economic suicide.

This is unpopular online, but is the actual view of a majority of Americans imo. The reason climate activists are not getting anywhere with these people is that they are having an argument with the climate denier in their head.

Re:How an early oil industry study became key in climate law... by rybosworld on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:26PM (#33806204)
"The belief is that the climate is not static and that it’s better for humans to adapt (as they always have) than to commit economic suicide."

Whose belief? I don't understand how belief is relevant.

"This is unpopular online, but is the actual view of a majority of Americans imo" Not true. Most Americans accept the scientific consensus - that recent changes in temperature are driven by human activities: https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/extreme-weather-poll-...

Re:How an early oil industry study became key in climate law... by edgyquant on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:51PM (#33807477)
You didn’t read my comment because you aren’t engaging faithfully. I said that most people do believe it’s caused by humans but that humans will have to adapt to it as they have to multiple other changes in climate.

I’m not kidding about you arguing with yourself here. This comment is actual proof

Re:How an early oil industry study became key in climate law... by rybosworld on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @07:58PM (#33810719)
"You didn’t read my comment because you aren’t engaging faithfully."

Except, I quoted most of your comment directly.

"I said that most people do believe it’s caused by humans but that humans will have to adapt to it as they have to multiple other changes in climate."

You absolutely did not say this.

Re:How an early oil industry study became key in climate law... by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:27PM (#33806221)
Oh you're one of those climate change denier deniers, who despite decades of video and written evidence to the contrary, are trying to gaslight (word of the year!) people into believing that it was all just a concern over cost benefit analysis and nobody thought it was a hoax. Because that would be stupid wouldn't it.
Re:How an early oil industry study became key in climate law... by rybosworld on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:30PM (#33806278)
This has been a lot more common in my experience.

Driven primarily by folks realizing how wrong/ridiculous their views were years ago, and trying to rewrite history.

Re:How an early oil industry study became key in climate law... by edgyquant on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:52PM (#33807497)
Funny how I didn’t mention anything about myself yet you still attacked me as if I had. Again, you’re arguing with a climate denier in your head
Re:How an early oil industry study became key in climate law... by ZeroGravitas on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:59PM (#33807593)
I was attacking the thing you said, in the comment I replied to:

> I’ve met very few people who believe climate change is a hoax. The belief is that the climate is not static and that it’s better for humans to adapt (as they always have) than to commit economic suicide.

Re:How an early oil industry study became key in climate law... by ako on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:43PM (#33806492)
Continuing using oil as we do today might also end in economical suicide. And embracing more green technology might offer more economic opportunities than oil.
Re:How an early oil industry study became key in climate law... by matthewdgreen on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:12PM (#33807769)
I've met many climate change deniers, both in real life and online. They used to be very thick on the ground on sites like this one and particularly on Slashdot. (Ugh, remember "Climategate?) It has been something of a pleasure watching them gradually disappear from sites with more thoughtful readers. Sadly, the reason they're disappearing is because boldfaced climate denial doesn't fly with reasonably intelligent HN folks anymore, given what we can see with our own eyes.

The smarter new ones have switched away from rants about "AGW" and scientists being untrustworthy. They now tell us climate change won't be that bad and we can "adapt."

Re:How an early oil industry study became key in climate law... by mdcds on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @06:16PM (#33809428)
> The belief is that the climate is not static

It's a justified belief. Climate isn't static. For example, Sahara desert used to be an oasis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_humid_period