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Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by throwaway23597 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:24PM (#33805171)
See, you scare me. Should private speech in the home have consequences? Speech that not only did you not mean to make public, but you didn't even realize could possibly become public? That's the road to hell for our society.
Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by sangnoir on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:37PM (#33805395)
> Should private speech in the home have consequences? Speech that not only did you not mean to make public, but you didn't even realize could possibly become public?

What do you think about the (former) NFL team owner whose voicemail containing racial slurs was leaked. It was not supposed to become public: should he not have faced any consequences for it on that basis? IIRC, he was forced to sell his franchise by the other teams.

Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by jaywalk on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:43PM (#33805507)
You're talking about the former owner of the NBA's Los Angeles Clippers, Donald Sterling. Not an NFL owner.
Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by sangnoir on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:47PM (#33805583)
Thank you, I was recalling off the top of my head and mixed up the leagues.
Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by Tommah on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:29PM (#33806247)
Something similar happened with the Carolina Panthers in the NFL. The owner sold the team because of allegations that he was saying racist and sexist things, although there was no recording of him AFAIK. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/18/facing-misconduct-investigat...
Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by throwaway23597 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:46PM (#33805570)
It's an interesting case, for sure. I'm not familiar with the specifics, but I think a key variable is how exactly the conversation was leaked.

If the receiver of the voicemail leaked it, that's a consequence that the owner should have been prepared for - that sort of thing happens all the time, like with Alec Baldwin.

If it was the phone company that leaked it, then I think that is a different story. Abusing data from a platform advertised as private, perpetrated by someone who does not even know the people in question, is wrong. Nobody is prepared for the consequences of petabytes of conversation data to be analyzed by random people they don't even know. This is the situation I'm more concerned about.

Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by djleni on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:35PM (#33805370)
That’s not a free speech or “cancelling” problem. That’s a privacy problem.
Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by matai_kolila on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:32PM (#33805326)
What even is a “private speech”? Are you worried Alexa is listening to you as you rant to yourself?
Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by olyjohn on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:47PM (#33805581)
It's not a private speech, smartass. It's private speech. As in speech that is private. As in, when you're in the privacy of your own home, and you're expressing yourself to yourself or others, that would be private speech. Speech that is not directed to a public audience. Even when you talk to yourself in your mind, that is your own private speech.
Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by matai_kolila on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:55PM (#33805725)
Nope, once you involve others, you involve consequences, as it is now their free speech (and free association) that often generates those consequences.
Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by throwaway23597 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:47PM (#33805588)
> Are you worried Alexa is listening to you as you rant to yourself?

Well, I mean, quite literally, it is. It's always listening to you, and that's how it knows when you say "Alexa". And IIUC all these audio recordings are sent right to AWS and stored indefinitely.

Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by greesil on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:56PM (#33806679)
"Alexa, would you like to hear my racist tirade?
Re:Huawei phones automatically deleting videos of the protests by throwaway23597 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:14PM (#33806984)
Haha, I can't imagine that this happens often. But that being said, there are documented instances of Alexa picking up sensitive conversations on accident, for example in this WaPo article where it was observed picking up sensitive information:

"There were even sensitive conversations that somehow triggered Alexa’s “wake word” to start recording, including my family discussing medication and a friend conducting a business deal."

https://archive.ph/c7G1c