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Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by madaxe_again on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:12AM (#33798224)
The ironing is delicious.

Very, very little photography that you will ever see is untouched - from mild tweaking of curves to complete recomposition. This is what photoshop is for.

Ansel Adams, for example, used to dodge and burn extensively when printing, and is viewed as a master of the art - he was mostly really good at upping the drama by amplifying or outright inventing chiaroscuro.

Where does the line lie? Well, it depends on who your friends are.

Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by altacc on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:04AM (#33798483)
> Where does the line lie?

Putting aside the discussion about these particular photographs... There are clear lines, especially for certain types of photography. For things like reportage, documentary and true nature photography, the simplest rule is to represent reality, without addition, removal or significant alteration. In these circles even significantly cropping a photo can be seen as manipulative. Dodging and burning is mostly seen as processing, not material change to the photograph.

But importantly the rule is to not lie about the reality the photo depicts. Nature photography is as much about the effort or the hunt as it is the photo, so honest is key. Other photos have been removed from competitions and stripped of prizes due to misrepresentation, from editing to using tame animals. You can edit the photo's appearance through post processing of exposure, sharpness, etc... it is the subject that is important. Lying about the subject invalidates the photo.

Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by aoeusnth1 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @10:15AM (#33801849)
In what way could cropping be manipulative? You could have taken the exact same framing with a different zoom setting on your lens.
Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by altacc on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @02:17PM (#33806063)
Yes, both can have the same effect of selecting the editorial content of the photograph. With both methods (plus the selection of what photos from an event to publish) a photographer or their editor can choose what to convey. For example, if you have a photo of a group of people you can selectively crop, or frame in teh viewfinder, only the people that will convey an gripping editorial message, e.g remove or only include a certain demographic or action. If there are 1000 protesters standing around and 5 throwing stuff, the 5 will be photographed and reported as representative of the entire protest.
Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by kataklasm on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:11AM (#33798520)
You are comparing Ansel Adam's Dodge and Burn (which certainly alters the image quite a bit, no question) with pasting different mountain ranges and a snow leopard together, making essentially a digital composite? That's ridiculous! One is increasing and decreasing light and shadow in an image, only working with what was captured physically on that sheet of film. The other is copy and pasting from different photographs, making it seem like it was one photo. Totally different ball games in my eyes.
Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by hef19898 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @04:19AM (#33798559)
The whole editing stuff into photo montages is ok, if you don't claim otherwise. Which, according to the photographer, she never claimed. Quite the opposite, she seems to be pretty upfront about how she takes and edits pictures.
Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by qnpnp on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @06:13AM (#33799227)
She's anything but upfront.

Until the disclaimer was added there was no way to tell these photos were fake. On the contrary, there was a whole story-telling about how she made this difficult trip and suddenly saw what she was looking for in a magical moment, which supports the idea that this was genuine animal photography.

It is therefore no surprise that people assumed these photos were real and now feel deceived.

Even now that she added this disclaimer, she is antyhing but clear as to what is actually real or not. Are we speaking of editing and composite as in "I took a great photo and just added a few rocks here and removed a cloud there to make it cooler" or in "I built this whole landscape and then added a snow leopard on top of it"?

She claims she genuinely photographied the snow leopard, but this is very unlikely and the deception already identified makes it difficult to believe her.

Edit: reading more carefully she claims she saw "what she was looking for" which you would obviously interpret as a snow leopard, but is vague enough to offer her yet again another opportunity to say she "never said that".

Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by valeness on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @12:28PM (#33804152)
This is called Art... Have you never seen an ARG (Augmented Reality Game) website where they tell entire fictional stories as if they are real?

You can suspend your disbelief in the most inane shit for a movie, but this form of art you just can't do it?

Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by qnpnp on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:05PM (#33806843)
You're missing the point. Nobody here is criticizing the art itself; it looks great.

The whole point is deceiving people into believing those are real pictures when they are not. She received huge exposure in major newspapers, specialist magazines, social media, even the American embassy because of this (and sold many prints). She enjoyed that attention, even reblogged the article from the Times of London, without ever correcting anybody about the actual nature of her work.

Had she been forthright about the fact that the pictures were fake, she never would have received such attention. The picture still look cool in their own right, but we would be far from the incredible achievement that such picture would represent if they were real.

As Munier said: "I’ve got nothing against this type of creation, but it has to be presented as such".

Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by valeness on Friday December 02, 2022 @10:26AM (#33831715)
I don't think it's her job to tell people that. This is her own little slice of the internet and she's allowed to do what she wants. She's not really hurting anyone, she's raising money for charity, the pictures are phenomenal.

People need to relax. She's 24 and getting death threats over what?

I mean worst case is she lied about photoshopping a picture? Yeah, so did Victoria Secret and EVERY SINGLE OTHER MEDIA PUBLICATION IN THE WORLD.

National Geographic did it for christ's sake...

Everyone here jumping down her fucking throat, out for blood. "Actually you lied, myehhh, this is bad and you're a bad person"

Like fuck off, I think she's well within her right to represent her art this way. Just because other publications continue to rip off artists for easy content and do very little research on their own doesn't mean she's doing anything wrong.

I think a disclaimer would remove a lot from the art. ARG's don't provide disclaimers, it adds to it. Especially in the early days of the internet "Is it, or is it not?" Is a fun game to play.

Also, nobody was hurt. This isn't disinformation in the sense you're telling people that jews run the world or that vaccines cause autism. Nobody is getting hurt. They're fun pictures. She told a cute ambiguous story. She has like 1000 followers. Everyone can just relax already.

Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by throwaway290 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @06:00AM (#33799156)
What's wrong with digital composites? I know plenty of stunning works that are a result of combining photos, or drawing on top of a photo as a background, etc etc. Unless you specifically spread mistruth alongside your photo about how it was taken it's all good by me.

I'd be much more concerned with publications that find random imagery and use it uncritically, how worse would it get when generative visuals go really mainstream?

Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by constantcrying on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @09:08AM (#33800936)
>Where does the line lie?

Is it a photograph of a snow leopard with some alterations in post processing or is it a photograph of a mountain range with a snow leopard inserted after. That is the line.

All photos are edited, the act of saving a pattern of light onto a film or digital sensor itself is a form of editing. The choice of camera, lens and parameters is a form of editing by itself.

Re:The Fake Snow Leopard: Photomontage Spread Around the World by suzzer99 on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:56PM (#33805753)
Semi-pro landscape photographer here. It's true there are gray areas. But moving mountains and adding animals where animals could never be is not one of them.