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Re:US asks journals not to publish flu virus research to kee... by CWuestefeld on Wednesday December 21, 2011 @04:45PM (#3379293)
This seems like a bad idea. At the same time we're (hopefully!) keeping the information away from the bad guys, we're also handicapping those who could be building us protection from it.

the journal was taking the recommendations seriously and would probably withhold some information — but only if the government creates a system to provide the missing information to legitimate scientists worldwide who need it.

I'm concerned with how they might determine who is "legitimate", and who "needs it".

And beyond that, it seems silly to try to protect in this way. I've got to believe that anyone skilled enough to be able to use the information would also be skilled enough to get himself onto the staff of a "legitimate" researcher, thereby getting the information.

Re:US asks journals not to publish flu virus research to kee... by hackinthebochs on Wednesday December 21, 2011 @05:25PM (#3379411)
>This seems like a bad idea. At the same time we're (hopefully!) keeping the information away from the bad guys, we're also handicapping those who could be building us protection from it.

The concern is that it is much much easier for those who would cause harm to use this information than for those who would use it to create defenses. With such an asymmetry it makes sense to restrict access.

>I've got to believe that anyone skilled enough to be able to use the information

From what I've gathered from various articles is that the process described doesn't require any high level skills or facilities. Apparently it's frighteningly easy to nudge bird flu to be highly contagious in humans.

Re:US asks journals not to publish flu virus research to kee... by angelbob on Wednesday December 21, 2011 @06:48PM (#3379648)
The concern is that it is much much easier for those who would cause harm to use this information than for those who would use it to create defenses. With such an asymmetry it makes sense to restrict access.

Only if the numbers are fairly comparable. If the number of "good" scientists looking to defend is much larger than the number of bad scientists, you're still probably better off publishing.

Re:US asks journals not to publish flu virus research to kee... by hackinthebochs on Thursday December 22, 2011 @02:18AM (#3380742)
The issue is how hard is it to make a vaccine vs how hard is it to create a pandemic strain. Seeing as we haven't got a permanent vaccine against flu yet, I don't think the odds are in our favor. We would have to vaccinate against the particular proteins that allow it to be airborne. I don't think we have that kind of technology to specify precisely what our immune system latches onto.
Re:US asks journals not to publish flu virus research to kee... by pragmatic on Wednesday December 21, 2011 @08:25PM (#3379913)
No. That doesn't make sense. See my comment above.

You have to guarantee 100% effective vaccines with 100% distribution.

Re:US asks journals not to publish flu virus research to kee... by CWuestefeld on Wednesday December 21, 2011 @09:35PM (#3380088)
You have to guarantee 100% effective vaccines with 100% distribution.

This is false. A vaccine can effectively stop a virus with far fewer than 100% actually receiving the vaccination.

First, depending on the type of vaccine, the immunity may be communicated to other people through contact. Other people in the household, work, school, etc. are contaminated with the attenuated virus (in such a vaccination, as with the Salk polio virus).

Second, with a sufficient portion of the population immune, they act as firebreaks interfering with the transmission of the virus through the population. This is called "Herd Immunity" [1]. According to the linked article, for example, smallpox is effectively stopped with 83%-85% of the community vaccinated.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

Re:US asks journals not to publish flu virus research to kee... by code_duck on Wednesday December 21, 2011 @05:50PM (#3379480)
How is this different than a technology company asking security researchers to not publish a 0 day exploit? Responsible disclosure makes sense in biology, too.
Re:US asks journals not to publish flu virus research to kee... by jarin on Wednesday December 21, 2011 @09:04PM (#3380014)
I think the problem in this case, when you're talking about adding airborne transmission to a virus with a 50%+ mortality rate is that the risk of someone causing a pandemic is MUCH higher than the odds that they will find an effective vaccine/cure in time to prevent it.
Re:US asks journals not to publish flu virus research to kee... by pragmatic on Wednesday December 21, 2011 @08:23PM (#3379903)
You assume of course that this research leads to a vaccine that's 100% effective and distributed to the entire population of the planet.

You miss the point that some people can't have the flu vaccine because of auto immune disease susceptibility. Also X percent of the population will not get the vaccination for other reasons.

So this is more like [Sophos|Symantec|Kaspersky] creating a super Windows virus then offering to print the source code in order to "further" research.

Just like with nuclear technology, we can't put this genie back in the bottle.

Just because we can do something, does that always mean we should?

Re:US asks journals not to publish flu virus research to kee... by CWuestefeld on Thursday December 22, 2011 @08:45AM (#3381475)
You assume of course that this research leads to a vaccine that's 100% effective and distributed to the entire population of the planet.

No, this is not correct. As I explained elsewhere in the thread where you made the same claim:

A vaccine can effectively stop a virus with far fewer than 100% actually receiving the vaccination.

First, depending on the type of vaccine, the immunity may be communicated to other people through contact. Other people in the household, work, school, etc. are contaminated with the attenuated virus (in such a vaccination, as with the Salk polio virus).

Second, with a sufficient portion of the population immune, they act as firebreaks interfering with the transmission of the virus through the population. This is called "Herd Immunity" [1]. According to the linked article, for example, smallpox is effectively stopped with 83%-85% of the community vaccinated.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

Re:US asks journals not to publish flu virus research to kee... by ufo on Wednesday December 21, 2011 @08:36PM (#3379940)
The difference is that in the biological case the virus comes up by itself without the need for too much human intervention or 'source code". We already know that more then one group already managed to come up with a killer strain by (basically) just exposing the virus to ferrets in a cage.

A malicious virologist already knows enough to try to replicate the experiment in his own secret lab so censoring the information will just make it hard for the good researchers to do their job.