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Re:Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says by myshpa on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @03:12AM (#33784910)
Yes, it is ... simply deforest more land for our animals ... we could fatten ourselves so much more ;)

https://ourworldindata.org/land-use

Re:Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says by randomdata on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @09:00AM (#33787636)
Your own link suggests that only 23% of agricultural lands are suitable for cropland.
Re:Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says by myshpa on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @02:40PM (#33792208)
Not suitable, but used for plant-based food.

Other arable land is used for animal feed production, and together with grazing land represents the other 77% of agriculture land (37 mil. km2), which supplies 18% of global calories and 37% of proteins.

Those 23% (11 mil. km2) of agriculture land, crop land, is capable of producing 82% of global calories and 63% of proteins.

https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/01/Global-land-use-g...

Re:Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says by randomdata on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @04:56PM (#33793927)
> Other arable land is used for animal feed production, and together with grazing land represents the other 77% of agriculture land

Right, and since we're only talking about cropland, that 77% has no relevance to the discussion. That it keeps coming up is rather bizarre. Indeed, if you keep pounding a square peg into a round hold hard enough it may eventually go in, but one sure does look silly for doing it in the first place.

Re:Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says by myshpa on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @05:14PM (#33794137)
That 77% CONTAINS crop land.

https://www.renewmethod.com/post/what-is-arable-land

"Arable land is classified as land that can be plowed for the purpose of growing crops."

Please, look at the graph one more time.

Re:Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says by randomdata on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @11:48AM (#33803429)
Arable land includes meadows, pastures, etc. Animals can (and do) eat from those lands, but cropland is more specific. Your weird tangent has no relevance.
Re:Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says by myshpa on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @01:17PM (#33805039)
> Probably not without radically changing how we grow plants for human consumption ...

Wrong.

> ~60% of the soybeans are intended for direct human consumption and ~40% for animal consumption. I imagine that is not atypical

Wrong.

> around 35% of the output ... for animal consumption, which is effectively what the real world data also shows ...

Wrong.

> Nowhere near 50% of the world's land area is suitable for cropland.

Wrong.

> Your own link suggests that only 23% of agricultural lands are suitable for cropland.

Wrong.

> Arable land includes meadows, pastures, etc. Animals can (and do) eat from those lands, but cropland is more specific

Wrong (in the context of) https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/01/Global-land-use-g...

> Your weird tangent ...

It's called logic. I give up.

Re:Lab-Grown Meat Is Safe to Eat, FDA Says by myshpa on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:17AM (#33798260)
You're the only one in this discussion talking about crop land. To focuse solely on crop land and ignore pastures is misleading.

> Eloff: ... won't need to raise animals or food for animals ... we could rewild huge parts of the Earth

> randomdata: probably not ... 36% of the cropland is used for animal food ...

Even if we kept all the arable land for human consumption (to compensate for missing meat, assuming the lab-grown meat will take some time to scale) we'd have 3.3 billion hectares of pastures to rewild/reforest. Or we could reforest those 35% of arable land we use for growing animal feed and instead use a fraction of pastures for nuts/fruit production.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/global-pasture

Forests cover 40 mil. km2, and animal agriculture takes 37 mil. km2. Majority of plant-based foods is produced on 11 mil. km2. By switching to plant-based we could increase forest cover from 40 mil. km2 to 70+ mil. km2.

"We might even address the very real disaster scenarios presently threatening the world with questions like these: "What if you could make a simple and compassionate change in your life that would increase available farmland, increase available clean water, reduce rainforest destruction, reduce greenhouse gas production, reduce the threat from antibiotic-resistant bacteria, decrease land and waterway pollution, prevent creation of ocean dead zones, end your participation in the deaths of sentient individuals and increase overall human health by switching to a plant-based diet? Would you do it?” This is the reality we actually live in, and this is the choice each one of us faces."

https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/vegans-would-eat-meat-on-a...

OFF-TOPIC: we should reforest some deserts/barren areas as well