Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by codazoda on Monday November 28, 2022 @10:49PM
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You can use a dynamic IP with dynamic DNS easy enough. It works great for me.
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Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by Nursie on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @12:25AM
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Not if you’re on the wrong end of CGNAT :/
Which I recently discovered we are.
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by mandis on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @01:10AM
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I have used DDNS before, but totally unfamiliar with what you refer to in your comment. Care to elaborate a bit?
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by squarefoot on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @01:41AM
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With IPv4 scarcity, many carriers had to employ NAT (network address translation) so that many users are mapped behind a single IP at the same time. This of course makes impossible to put a personal server on a local home network because although connecting to external addresses is still doable, any incoming packet wouldn't know which one of the users it should reach without explicit rules that the users have no access to.
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by counttheforks on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @08:39AM
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It also means you will frequently be blocked by services such as cloudflare if anyone else you're sharing an IP address with is infected with a spammy virus.
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by chrismorgan on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @08:57PM
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I’ve been behind CGNAT once. It was a miserable experience for this reason. (No idea how many people there were at the one IP address, but https://iknowwhatyoudownload.com/ reported on average ten or twenty hours of video per day being downloaded via BitTorrent from the address, none of which was from my endpoint.)
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by Nursie on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @01:32AM
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Carrier-grade NAT. Generally rolled out due to IPv4 exhaustion.
Under CGNAT Your router does not get an externally reachable IP address from your ISP, as it sits behind ISP-level NAT router that assigns addresses to subscribers much like your home router assigns addresses to your home machines.
So you can’t run any sort of externally reachable service at all.
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by nivenkos on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @01:39AM
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Usually the ISP will provide some sort of port forwarding though.
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by olyjohn on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @02:23AM
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Like... what ISP would go out of their way to do that? Call me cynical, but I doubt there's an ISP that uses CGNAT who would forward a port to you. Like, they all do the total absolute minimum necessary to get you Internet access. Why would they bother creating some way to let you forward a port to your computer? No average person needs to do that anymore now that everything is cloud-based. I could be way wrong on this, but I just have my doubts...
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by shric on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @04:18AM
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My ISP let me turn off CGNAT in my account settings (defaulted to on) and let me turn on IPv6 in my account settings (defaulted to off).
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by nivenkos on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @05:12AM
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Yeah, it really depends on the ISP.
It's a shame how it's become so hard, the old internet is gone forever really.
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by alephu5 on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @03:07AM
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My ISP gives a dedicated IPv4 to anyone that asks, everyone else goes on CGNAT. Hardly anyone asks so they don't mind.
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by counttheforks on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @08:38AM
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Switch to an ISP which actually sells you an internet connection.
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by Nursie on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @10:54AM
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This is not always an option, and 99% of people will never care.
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by counttheforks on Tuesday November 29, 2022 @11:57AM
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You cared enough to post about it.
Re:The Indie Web Is Dead, Long Live the Indie Web
by Nursie on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @03:02AM
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Yes, but I didn't make the claim that "it's not an internet connection", because clearly it is. The vast majority of people will never care that theirs can't do server stuff, because they will never try to run one, or even know what it means. It's a perfectly fine internet connection for such folks.