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Re:Perspective: Capsaicin Is a Psychoactive Substance by voxic11 on Monday November 28, 2022 @11:57AM (#33776032)
It defines food as:

> Any substance which—

(a) is ordinarily consumed as food, and

(b) does not contain a prohibited ingredient

> In this paragraph—

“food” includes drink;

“prohibited ingredient”, in relation to a substance, means any psychoactive substance—

(a) which is not naturally occurring in the substance, and

(b) the use of which in or on food is not authorised by an EU instrument.

So it sounds like Capsaicin produced naturally in things like hot peppers would be fine. But artificially produced Capsaicin added to food might not be.

Re:Perspective: Capsaicin Is a Psychoactive Substance by 9wzYQbTYsAIc on Monday November 28, 2022 @12:16PM (#33776323)
Sensation is not perception.

To be psychoactive, capsaicin would need to warp your perceptions, rather than solely induce the sensation of burning pain.

Re:Perspective: Capsaicin Is a Psychoactive Substance by voxic11 on Monday November 28, 2022 @12:22PM (#33776393)
As the original article notes it does appear to have a psychoactive effect beyond the sensation of burning pain (though if a sensation of pleasure is a psychoactive effect why wouldn't a sensation of pain be?).

I found additional sources going into the likely pharmacology of this effect:

> Namely, capsaicin and vanillin (and anandamide itself) are all agonists of the TRPV1 receptor, which stimulates production and release of endogenous anandamide. When mixed with N-linoleoylethanolamide and N-oleoylethanolamide from cacao, which inhibit anandamide breakdown, the levels of endogenous anandamide are augmented further. When breakdown of anandamide is inhibited pharmacologically or genetically, anandamide is able to produce a state of intoxication similar to tetrahydrocannabinol in rodents and nonhuman primates

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6706955/

Re:Perspective: Capsaicin Is a Psychoactive Substance by 9wzYQbTYsAIc on Monday November 28, 2022 @12:34PM (#33776574)
Interesting, that does remind me of times that some people would experience a brief “glow” feeling after consuming a handful of “inferno” chicken wings.
Re:Perspective: Capsaicin Is a Psychoactive Substance by lazide on Monday November 28, 2022 @05:07PM (#33780552)
Wait, so psychedelic mushrooms aren’t a drug by that definition?
Re:Perspective: Capsaicin Is a Psychoactive Substance by mtlmtlmtlmtl on Monday November 28, 2022 @05:28PM (#33780778)
Psychedelic shrooms are not ordinarily consumed "as food", though they are eaten. But they taste like ass and often cause nausea. The primary purpose is unambiguously to get high.

Also, psilocybin is probably still scheduled explicity from before the law was passed.

Re:Perspective: Capsaicin Is a Psychoactive Substance by wonderwonder on Monday November 28, 2022 @09:20PM (#33782877)
Does it explicitly exclude alcohol? Seems like alcohol would hit all of these marks
Re:Perspective: Capsaicin Is a Psychoactive Substance by AlecSchueler on Wednesday November 30, 2022 @05:10AM (#33798893)
Yes and nicotine