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Re:Photography for Geeks by nbzso on Monday November 28, 2022 @02:22AM (#33770652)
Just sharing: If you want to learn photography, buy yourself a film camera and read those two books.

Ansel Adams:

The Camera https://amzn.to/3gMyCa5

The Negative https://amzn.to/3U88fsN

The rest is just practice.:)

Re:Photography for Geeks by fedeb95 on Monday November 28, 2022 @02:27AM (#33770678)
Good advice. A film camera forces you to learn, while digital will "fix" things for you
Re:Photography for Geeks by anta40 on Monday November 28, 2022 @02:49AM (#33770831)
I think for learning photography today, using a film camera will very likely wasteful, unless you are pursuing a photography degree, for example.

Get a digital camera. Instant feedback and histogram are very useful for judging your exposures. Once you are comfortable with that, you may pick a film camera.

Re:Photography for Geeks by nbzso on Monday November 28, 2022 @03:20AM (#33771047)
Using a film camera will force you to take the picture with your mind first. You will understand exposure and light in a fundamental way.

You always can use your phone, computational photography will give you the best result, algorithmically speaking.:)

Re:Photography for Geeks by dsego on Monday November 28, 2022 @05:32AM (#33771898)
You can force yourself by setting everything to manual on a digital camera. Especially on a non-pasm camera, like fujifilm, where you can see and control physical dials.
Re:Photography for Geeks by antihero on Monday November 28, 2022 @08:03AM (#33773098)
It's still way too easy with digital mirrorless where you have a tight feedback loop of being able to see the image respond to adjustment live, and also there's no cost associated with pulling the trigger.

I guess the best thing to do would be turn off exposure preview (so you can't see what settings are going to look like and the EVF becomes "dumb"), and perhaps buy a tiny 512MB SD card or something so you can only fit 26 or so RAW files on it :)

Re:Photography for Geeks by into_infinity on Monday November 28, 2022 @12:55PM (#33776922)
Why is it a virtue to make things hard? The analogy of "if you truly want to learn programming, you have to do it with punch cards" feels apt.

Instant feedback is good for learning. I sometimes feel that old-school photographers are just kinda bitter that it's a lot easier to take competent photos today than it was 20 years ago, and think it's not real unless you're carrying a light meter around.

Re:Photography for Geeks by nbzso on Monday November 28, 2022 @11:38PM (#33783760)
Actually, today the quickest way is to start with a digital camera, but the caveat is that you must have discipline not to fall into the technography trap. Technography is not photography.

I can take a photo without a light meter or perfect focus. Zone focusing and the zone system are a thing, even today. https://petapixel.com/how-to-use-the-zone-system/

The idea behind making things hard for yourself is to develop a discipline and way of seeing the world without assistance. When you get this superpower, you will use the digital aids in a completely different manner.

The instant feedback is so bad for the development of photographers mind, that some brands like Leica and Fujifilm have a digital camera without screen on their back.

https://yewtu.be/watch?v=z-u3AoSV5e4

Re:Photography for Geeks by anta40 on Monday November 28, 2022 @08:10AM (#33773172)
That would make the whole learning process way slower.

I remember a few old lecturers saying they learnt programming on punch card computers, which you have to wait a few hours just to get a simple code running. Usually, you are not lucky enough to get it right on first time. Fix some errors and compile... repeat until it runs. More waiting time.

Re:Photography for Geeks by cfn on Monday November 28, 2022 @03:35AM (#33771133)
Re:Photography for Geeks by nbzso on Monday November 28, 2022 @05:02AM (#33771694)
Deliberately. The Print is only for the chosen ones :)
Re:Photography for Geeks by daveslash on Monday November 28, 2022 @05:25PM (#33780746)
Thank you. I came here to post the same thing. Glad to see these three books mentioned. :-) But as another said, The Print is only for the "chosen ones". I have all 3, and I find "The Print" to be an informative joy to read, but not as necessary to the taking of the photos.
Re:Photography for Geeks by js-j on Monday November 28, 2022 @10:03AM (#33774461)
I thought so - until film photography prices began to skyrocket. Then I bought a quality second hand DSLR body compatible with my 35mm film lenses, and haven't regretted the decision, not for a minute. The investment has since completely paid out. Great books otherwise...