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Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by PragmaticPulp on Saturday November 26, 2022 @07:41PM (#33758733)
> they were running entirely on free Heroku dynos. This year they successfully transferred to AWS, but they got to a fairly big scale while running entirely on free Heroku dynos.

I’ve read so many of these stories now that I understand why Heroku is phasing out the free tier.

It’s kind of fascinating to see how some engineers see free tier limits as an optimization target. I wonder how many engineering hours across the industry went into arbitrarily keeping services small enough to fit in the free tier.

Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by josephcsible on Saturday November 26, 2022 @08:24PM (#33759052)
> I’ve read so many of these stories now that I understand why Heroku is phasing out the free tier.

To me, those stories seem like good arguments for reducing the usage limits of the free tier, but not getting rid of it entirely.

Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by nomilk on Saturday November 26, 2022 @08:50PM (#33759227)
You don't need to profit off every single customer. Many business models make 90%+ of their revenue from 'whales' and crumbs from the rest. Optimising for consistent margin from every single customer could be a waste of time; a distraction, and could even hurt a business.
Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by quickthrower2 on Sunday November 27, 2022 @05:26AM (#33761898)
Why do all the big clouds have generous free tiers with reasonable limits then?
Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by yumraj on Saturday November 26, 2022 @08:45PM (#33759201)
> I wonder how many engineering hours across the industry went into arbitrarily keeping services small enough to fit in the free tier.

Why is that wrong? If everyone optimized their services and applications like it used to be in the past, well substantially bring down compute and memory requirements and reduce overall bloat.

Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by dcow on Saturday November 26, 2022 @09:17PM (#33759429)
It’s not, strictly? It’s just more of a tragedy of the commons.
Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by slang800 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @09:59PM (#33759742)
Heroku is not "the commons", they're a company and people are playing within the rules that they set out.
Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by brhsagain on Saturday November 26, 2022 @10:35PM (#33760016)
This has to be the analog of "the first amendment only protects you from government restrictions on speech" in this conversation.
Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by slang800 on Saturday November 26, 2022 @10:58PM (#33760178)
Heroku can protect itself from abuse of its free tier by changing the rules - which they eventually did.

I'm sure that the only reason why they kept the free tier as long as they did was because it brought in enough users (who were eventually converted into paying customers) to be worth the cost.

Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by xeromal on Sunday November 27, 2022 @12:40AM (#33760704)
I think it's more of sadness that abuse took it away. It would be nice if hobbyists only used the free tiers and not successful businesses.
Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by CactusOnFire on Sunday November 27, 2022 @01:28AM (#33760883)
This is definitely the "software engineer" way of conceptualizing and solving the problem. You have discrete limitations, you optimize around them.

This is clearly not "working at intended" though and I'd like to believe everyone knows that, including the people building this system.

Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by dcow on Sunday November 27, 2022 @03:42AM (#33761480)
Of course it’s well within Heroku’s domain to structure their services however they choose. The tragedy is that if everyone uses the platform’s free tier to maximum utility in a self beneficial way, it exhausts the resources available and the common utility ceases to exist. So it’s not ethically wrong as was my response to the GGP. But it’s functionally “wrong” because it exhausts the common resource.
Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by rwoerz on Sunday November 27, 2022 @12:55AM (#33760764)
If a service is broken down into n microservices such that each of them fits into the free tier, these n microservices are likely to consume more resources in total.
Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by pifm_guy on Sunday November 27, 2022 @06:22AM (#33762184)
One day, compute requirements will be part of a companies eco-statement.

Eg. Amazon will be forced to say 'For every item purchased from Amazon, 370 grams of CO2 are emitted by our servers and other business operations :-P'

Re:Remind HN: Heroku will delete all free dbs and shut down ... by devoutsalsa on Saturday November 26, 2022 @08:49PM (#33759223)
I like free shit that doesn’t suck.