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Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by emptysongglass on Saturday November 26, 2022 @02:57PM (#33756047)
I'll be another voice to say you're speaking from a myopic perspective. The Dutch bike through rain, sleet or snow without any difficulty. Modern electric cargo bikes like their favorite, Urban Arrow, are fantastically balanced and need only a trained rider to handle through a wide variety of inclement weather.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by warcher on Saturday November 26, 2022 @03:43PM (#33756528)
Yeah I dunno where they're going with this.

You can ski in the snow perfectly comfortably if properly attired, but you can't bike?

In fairness icy streets can get extremely dicey on two wheels-- no arguments there. The US in particular has a lot more extreme weather than Holland. You'll have extended periods where biking on icy concrete is not a great option.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by dghlsakjg on Sunday November 27, 2022 @04:10PM (#33766997)
Icy streets are extremely dicey on 4 wheels as well, except that cars tend to externalize the risk.

I.e. a bike slipping and falling tends to hurt the risk taker. A car slipping and crashing tends to protect the occupant at the expense of whatever gets crashed into.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by moonchrome on Saturday November 26, 2022 @03:53PM (#33756616)
> Around two-thirds of the 110,000 traffic victims treated in Dutch hospitals in 2021 were cyclists, according to VeiligheidNL.

www.techtimes.com/amp/articles/274249/20220413/e-bike-injuries-rise-despite-safety-precautions-according-dutch-organization.htm

And that's in a place with top tier biking infrastructure.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by mnkv on Saturday November 26, 2022 @04:11PM (#33756774)
The victims are cyclists because so many dutch people cycle! (Because the infrastructure is so good)

Per Capita, cycling in the Netherlands is far far safer than cycling in the US.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by moonchrome on Saturday November 26, 2022 @04:59PM (#33757224)
Yes but far more unsafe than using a car !

> “The Dutch data for last year (2019) shows that in absolute figures more people died in car crashes (237) than on a bicycle (203). If you calculate the figure per kilometre travelled that is reversed. Per one billion kilometres travelled the figure for cycling is 11 while the figure for car occupants is 1.6 fatalities.”

Why do I have to google these self-evident facts ? No matter how good your bike lanes are two wheels are very sensitive and unforgiving and the vehicle offers 0 protection (and in fact gets in the way of softening the landing/balancing back).

The bike enthusiasm seems to override rationality - like if I strapped a child seat on a rear seat of a motorcycle social services would take my child - meanwhile if I do it on an ebike I'm praised for being environmental - despite the similar risk factor.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by emptysongglass on Sunday November 27, 2022 @03:44PM (#33766730)
Cars are far more likely to kill people, and quite a few at once. In fact it is almost certain death if a pedestrian is hit by a speeding car. And if that speeding car collides with another vehicle, there's death abundant.

You're being told repeatedly by Europeans your take isn't right but you keep digging in and entrenching. Why is that? Have you considered you might actually be wrong?

The unsafest I've ever been was commuting between Brooklyn and Manhattan for two years as a cyclist: the number of near misses and actual side swipes (yes from cars) would shock you.

Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by dghlsakjg on Sunday November 27, 2022 @04:13PM (#33767035)
Cause of death counts as well. If I get hit by a car on my bike it is a counted as a cycling injury even though it was a fatal accident because a car was involved.
Re:The Citroen Ami – tiny electric car with no boot, 28mph t... by tmnvix on Saturday November 26, 2022 @04:11PM (#33756775)
This doesn't mean much absent ridership statistics.