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Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by superkuh on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:32AM (#33743987)
If only there were a system to transfer money between two people that didn't require a trusted third party...
Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by semicolon_storm on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:41AM (#33744130)
You're implicitly trusting the 3rd parties developing the software & protocols you use to send money anyways.
Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by gizmo on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:40AM (#33744118)
Impossible, because it's the 3rd party (government) that makes money money. Without a system of law, courts, and and people with guns to back them up you can't have trade or commerce at any kind of scale.
Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by pr337h4m on Friday November 25, 2022 @12:11PM (#33744528)
Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by web3isgoing on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:36AM (#33744059)
ZK rollup with validity proofs and trustless escape hatches should really be the dominant mode of bridging and storing assets in the future.[1]

To the OP: sorry to hear what you are going through.

[1] See https://vitalik.ca/general/2021/01/05/rollup.html and https://vitalik.ca/general/2022/11/19/proof_of_solvency.html

Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by websap on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:34AM (#33744017)
And be reversible?
Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by web3isgoing on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:41AM (#33744120)
Yes, if the application and its users demand it. Reversibility is possible in peer-to-peer and decentralized payment systems. But not every app needs reversibility and the centralized intermediaries that come with that.
Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by websap on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:47AM (#33744199)
What use case of money transfer doesn’t require reversibility for fraud prevention?

I love credit cards because I can dispute transactions.

Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by saurik on Friday November 25, 2022 @12:26PM (#33744695)
Craigslist explicitly tells people selling on it to avoid accepting online payments (like, PayPal) and only work with cash because the online payments are reversible and sellers constantly get scammed. You have to remember that transactions involve two parties, and it isn't somehow always the case that only the ones on one side matter.

The power balance simply isn't always "seller who is selling a large quantity of easily-replaceable items that might be a dud can easily amortize the cost of fraud across all of their payments by high margins"... sometimes it really is "seller who is selling a small quantity of expensive or precious items tends to get scammed by anonymous buyers who abuse chargebacks ".

Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by rvz on Friday November 25, 2022 @12:58PM (#33745032)
> ...sometimes it really is "seller who is selling a small quantity of expensive or precious items tends to get scammed by anonymous buyers who abuse chargebacks ".

This. He's right you know.

The chargeback system is rife with extreme abuse, and the banks will always give in to friendly fraud without checking the contents of the dispute. Both the customer and the merchant lose to chargebacks and friendly fraud.

Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by web3isgoing on Friday November 25, 2022 @12:55PM (#33744996)
Venmo[1] does not have reversibility. Cash does not have reversibility.

If users really wanted credit card functionality at the expense of its costs, you could build that as a layer on top, without forcing everybody in the system to use it.

And consider, most disputes is not just about the quality of a product. That is handled with regular refunds. Credit card disputes are a lot of times because of fraud or card skimming, which is very often because the system is not very secure to begin with. Secure cryptography can remove a lot of this type of fraud.

[1] https://help.venmo.com/hc/en-us/articles/235171088-Cancel-Pa....

Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by websap on Friday November 25, 2022 @01:31PM (#33745350)
We already have that system - debit cards, cash, venmo, apple pay, etc. What does crypto solve other than anonymization of payments?
Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by web3isgoing on Friday November 25, 2022 @03:23PM (#33746366)
Open source, public and permissionless infrastructure for the web. Very different than Venmo which is owned by PayPal and limited to USA, and not programmable, no interop.

about the OP’s thread: centralized services like PayPal, Venmo and Stripe can close your account. Nobody can close your private key, even if you are on a L2 for fast payments you can use the escape hatch to withdraw without possibility of censorship.

Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by hanniabu on Friday November 25, 2022 @12:10PM (#33744506)
Ethereum has ERC20R which is for reversible transactions
Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by searchableguy on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:44AM (#33744165)
Fed now instant payments will go live in US next year. EU has similar cross country solution in work. Majority of Asia already switched or in the phase.

In India, most purchases go through UPI already which is p2p without a middleman.

It's tough time to be in payments and will only get worse as many custom integration with lending companies break down due to huge losses.

Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by marcosdumay on Friday November 25, 2022 @12:16PM (#33744575)
We only need some way to integrate those.
Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by searchableguy on Friday November 25, 2022 @01:00PM (#33745053)
In India, you can pick any payment gateway for UPI. They are easily replaceable.

No payment gateway in India charges for UPI transaction too. So if similar payment system is incorporated in US, I won't expect stripe to be able to charge for it.

The only major functionality these payment gateway provide is checking if transaction went through.

They are wrappers on top of bank APIs such as federal bank.

Anyone can generate a QR code for their payment ID and request payment without needing a gateway but it's manual. Most street vendors confirm payments manually since it happens in person.

Additionally, we have other standardized framework for requesting account information from banks such as RBI account aggregator framework. So you don't need something like plaid to fetch bank statements from all your bank accounts.

Recurring payments are also setup on the bank end as a mandate.

Yes, you will end up using an off the shelf solution but you are not at the mercy of them if you accept UPI only.

Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by marcosdumay on Friday November 25, 2022 @09:46PM (#33749383)
You can't transfer money from the India system to somebody using the EU or Brazil one.
Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by okwubodu on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:46AM (#33744185)
There’s an odd juxtaposition between the net negative sentiment towards The Technology That Shall Not Be Named and the near daily “X banned my accounts and my business will never recover please help” posts.
Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by ummonk on Friday November 25, 2022 @11:52AM (#33744254)
Negative sentiment towards paper cash? Haven't seen any on HN, aside from stories about civil forfeiture.
Re:Stripe is wrongly suspending accounts by kayamon on Friday November 25, 2022 @12:53PM (#33744976)
It really is the elephant in the room at this point.