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Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by verst on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @02:56PM (#33723770)
> These are the words of a young person who was trained to see everyone else's success as an implicit criticism of their own ability and effort. It is not the author's fault. A mentally healthy person, when shown a display of excellence, is impressed, energized, and motivated.

I don't think that's universally accurate. While this is something I have observed living in the US, growing up in Germany was a completely different story: The people in small town Northern Germany went so far as to criticize and attack you for your achievements that far surpassed what they have accomplished. It appears to make them feel jealous and threatened, which in their view is best dealt with by making you less threatening instead of feeling inspired themselves.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by _jal on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @03:11PM (#33723952)
> The people [...] went so far as to criticize and attack you for your achievements

I've seen this personally, including from family. Actually managed to get to a point with one family member where we could honestly talk about it, and it was a complicated sort of jealousy.

In their case, they correctly noted that I'm not so much smarter or otherwise distinguished as to "deserve" what I've accomplished so much more than them, and they felt cheated. When asked why they didn't do something like what I did, it came down to personal conservatism and fear. I moved to the "big city" without support (my family is poor). They didn't, out of some combination of biased risk assessment and fear.

You become evidence of their missed opportunities, and that makes them angry at you. So much worse if you are childless and have the temerity to be happy about it - that really pisses off some of them, too.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by random314 on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @03:04PM (#33723854)
Wow. In what way did they attack? Were they neighbors or colleagues?
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by BirdieNZ on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @04:17PM (#33724655)
We call this "Tall Poppy Syndrome" in New Zealand. If you're a tall poppy you get cut down to size. The only successful New Zealanders that are approved of are those that elevate NZ as a whole on the international stage and attribute it to the country rather than their own individual talent and ability.
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by jdshaffer on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @07:51PM (#33726535)
Here in Japan they say "It's the nail that sticks out that gets hit."
Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by ozzythecat on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @04:18PM (#33724668)
> The people in small town Northern Germany went so far as to criticize and attack you for your achievements that far surpassed what they have accomplished.

Isn’t this a salient feature in US culture? We attack the wealthy, celebrities, politicians. I’m not saying these people are saints by any means or it’s completely unwarranted, but the US seems to have an increasing victimhood culture. It manifests in different shapes and forms, but the outcome is more or less an attack on some person or group of people who we consider to be relatively more “privileged”, and we use that to dismiss their actual accomplishments or whatever good they may have also done. The root of the issue is always about comparing yourself to someone or some group and their accomplishments and justifying one’s or short comings.

Many of the diversity, equity, inclusion initiatives, regardless of good intentions, are spin offs from this.

To be clear, I’m not taking a swing at the social justice movements. But what I am saying is that in US culture, there’s definitely massive resentment of those who are successful.

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by bjornsing on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @06:10PM (#33725714)
> Many of the diversity, equity, inclusion initiatives, regardless of good intentions, are spin offs from this.

I agree. Especially equity (as opposed to equality of opportunity) I think is very closely related to the extreme “egalitarianism” we have in the Nordics. The Law of Jante [1] is a great summary of our particular variety.

Be very afraid of this BTW… :)

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

Re:Being OK with Not Being Extraordinary by nverno on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:32PM (#33727530)
This is true, but it's also true our culture glorifies, idolizes and hero-worships the crap out of celebrities of all sorts. By my estimation, the latter is more popular than the former, and the nasty stuff mostly stems from politics. The feeling that it leans one way or the other probably depends heavily on the people/new sources you interact with most regularly. If your daily life involves handling complaints from a university humanities department, for example, there might be more demonization than saintification.

It also seems people are much more tolerant of and ready to engage with negativity online than in person, so perhaps the terminally online trend is a driver.