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Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by bombcar on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @08:47AM (#33719010)
I'd be perfectly happy with a list of Siri commands that I would have to learn to be able to do things. I don't care if I ended up sounding like:

Hey Siri

Turn lights on 50 percent

For one hour

Dim over that time

Play music.

I can learn what I need to do; JUST LET ME KNOW THE MAGIC WORDS!

Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by ics on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:09AM (#33720058)
Not to take away from your point (I'd like the magic list too) but to some degree, this can be worked around using Shortcuts. If you use inputs, Siri will prompt for them which is a bit slow but you could even use a dictate text and parse yourself if desired.
Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by LooseMarmoset on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:10AM (#33720086)
It's like playing Zork all over again.
Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by toxik on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @10:46AM (#33720619)
But with the added complexity that sometimes the speech-to-text will just crap out completely.
Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by LooseMarmoset on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:03AM (#33720904)
Alexa, turn on lights

...I don't know how to do that

Alexa, turn lights on

...What do I turn the lights with?

Alexa, activate lights

...I don't know what you mean

...It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

ALEXA TURN ON THE DAMN LIGHTS

...I don't know the word "lights"

...Oh no! You have walked into the slavering fangs of a grue!

** You have died **

Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by bombcar on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:08AM (#33720964)
Siri, turn on bathroom lights.

Downstairs or upstairs bathroom?

Downstairs.

Sorry, I didn’t understand. Downstairs it upstairs bathroom?

Downstairs bathroom.

Sorry, I didn’t understand. Downstairs it upstairs bathroom?

Cancel.

Ok. Cancelling.

Siri turn on downstairs bathroom lights.

(Turns off all lights)

Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by spookthesunset on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:22AM (#33721154)
“Did you mean ‘bathroom LED’ or ‘bathroom’?”

Because god help you if your device names are similar to your room names…

Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by bombcar on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:39AM (#33721417)
I’ve taken to naming my lights things like Greg, The Beacons, etc.

And I added scenes so I can say “Gondor calls for aid” and the beacons will light.

Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by gernb on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @12:36PM (#33722154)
For me, about once a week it's

"hey siri?"

(no response, no icon),

"hey siri?"

(no response, no icon),

"hey siri?" (louder)

(no response, no icon),

"hey siri?" (louder and slower)

(no response, no icon),

reboot iphone 13 pro

"hey siri?"

works

Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by ghaff on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:26AM (#33721200)
Yes. And it may be worth noting that Zork is literally something like 50 year old parser technology.
Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by guestbest on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @01:08PM (#33722524)
A lisp compiler in a voice assistant would seem like an improvement in that the user could define objects and then express the actions to be performed in the same room. But these assistants seem to drop objects between commands making them hard to program conversationally.

I guess a list like language would be ideal and the pauses would be like parentheses

Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by everdrive on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:15AM (#33721072)
I highly doubt there is "a" magic list. I'll bet the magic list changes constantly.
Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by bombcar on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @11:36AM (#33721371)
I noticed a drop in usability about the time they went with ML.
Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by ASalazarMX on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @12:10PM (#33721785)
Same with the predictive keyboard, it feels more random now.
Re:Someone has to say it: Voice assistants are not doing it ... by wkdneidbwf on Wednesday November 23, 2022 @01:03PM (#33722468)
i don’t know that you can do exactly all these things, but is this the use case for custom routines in the amazon ecosystem.

you great the prompt and add one or more actions to take.