Re:AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder. Slack chats re...
by pessimizer on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @08:56PM
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> Russia launching on Poland could have been intentional.
If we assume that Russia is dying to give NATO an excuse to escalate, i.e. that they're insane and want to destroy the world.
Re:AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder. Slack chats re...
by HWR_14 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @09:08PM
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If you replace "Russia" with "Putin" it's possible that he would rather end the world than lose in Ukraine. And it's possible that he would need to generate the escalation to justify ordering the ICBMs to fly, otherwise the commanders might decline.
Re:AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder. Slack chats re...
by pessimizer on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @10:42PM
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There's a celebrity Putin created by propaganda who is a rabid foaming maniac, and there's the real Putin, who hasn't ever seemed particularly irrational, or even overly adventurous. There's also a war with Russia, a whole country, that a lot of people have sought to reduce to Putin, but as adults we don't have to pretend that Russia is an appendage to a single great man's will.
Re:AP fired reporter after dangerous blunder. Slack chats re...
by HWR_14 on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @11:19PM
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The real Putin isn't irrational, but he is fairly adventurous, launching wars for territory against smaller neighbors quite a bit (I think 5 times now.) But there is also the "Putin has terminal cancer" rumor, where he wants to reassemble Greater Russia or blow up the world trying, as he's running out of chances to shoot his shot.
1) Article 5. If Poland is attacked NATO would have to use whatever force was needed to protect it. In Russia's case, that means war against a nuclear power. In Ukraine's case, it means telling them NATO'll stop delivering weapons and Ukraine can fight Russia alone unless they apologize. Even if there was a war with Ukraine, it's not a nuclear power and wouldn't last long against NATO.
2) It was an accident. Russia launching on Poland could have been intentional. Ukraine almost certainly did it by mistake. (BTW, Russia apologizing in an hour and paying reparations would likely also have had no long term effect). Since it was an accident Ukraine probably blamed Russia thinking it was Russia since they didn't think they had done it. And by "blamed" I mean, it was after the AP story brought it to light. So more like denied it was them. Fog of war and all.