https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/elon-musks-twitter-d...
No he did not. It was initially proposed but there's no margin loan against his TSLA holdings in the final deal. For the debt that Twitter took on in the buyout the collateral is the company itself. There's zero connection to Tesla in the actual financing.
https://www.cnbctv18.com/business/who-is-funding-elon-musk-i...
The loans are then assigned to the company they bought, rather than the core sharks ... uh investors. The "investors" then repackage/selloff/spit shine as necessary to get it resold to some sucker. The investors get THEIR money back with a profit, leave the debt to the company and the sucker who buys it, and look for the next victim/target.
Musk likely went the rapacious route because he made a dumb move, and this is the only way he's getting the money he committed to the deal back.
Oh yeah, and when they buy the company, they are in charge of it. So they can pay themselves whatever they want in executive bonuses / etc.
The people who buy the debt know what they are getting into. (And if those 'suckers' don't know, honestly, they shouldn't be investing in junk bonds etc.)
what if the debt is sliced up and repackaged and rated AAA fraudulently?
Well, yeah. Like the rest of the financial system.
Why not? It's pretty good for all the stakeholders that have a say.
The old shareholders sold for a nice price.
The new ownership didn't have to pay for the whole thing.
The lender gets to charge a pretty good interest rate because there's a good chance of default. If they're lucky, they get repaid; if not, maybe they made enough in interest to make it worthwhile; maybe when it defaults, they'll be able to make something worthwhile out of the wreckage they got at a nicer price.
Leveraged buy outs aren't great for stakeholders that don't have a say. Employees usually get new terms worse than the old ones; in this case, there's been some severance at least. Customers get a promise of a big bang bankruptcy in the near to medium term, rather than a slow fizzle. Sometimes companies with a large payment they can't make can restructure, and sometimes they shutdown with little notice. As a private company without public accounting reports, there will be a lot of guessing about revenue and debt service.
Because at the end of the day, as you mention, it's the employees and their families that will suffer the most. But as long as those employees don't have board seats while strikes and labor-related physical protest movements have become a thing of the past then I guess this is the reality we'll have to live on for the foreseeable future.
In Twitter’s case, its $13B in new debt on the balance sheet means that, every year, they have to come up with $13B times the interest rate in additional revenue and/or reduced cost merely to be in the same place profit/loss-wise. Elon already massively overpaid what Twitter’s business-as-usual can generate even before accounting for that $13B, so the post-acquisition Twitter has to try a bunch of negative-expected-value moonshots in the likely hope that one of them hits against the odds.
In a lot of cases the best solution would be for the company to declare bankrupcy, reorganize, and discharge the debt by convincing creditors to take pennies on the dollar and a share of the resulting smarter-run healthier company, and a judge that the plan is reasonable. However, Elon both poisoned that well by firing people, angering advertisers, and bumbling around product-wise, and also staked a bunch of $TSLA that would need to be liquidated to go through with the bankruptcy.
Airlines are notoriously for going bankrupt regularly.
"Chapter 7 of Title 11 of the United States Code (Bankruptcy Code) governs the process of liquidation under the bankruptcy laws of the United States, in contrast to Chapters 11 and 13, which govern the process of reorganization of a debtor. Chapter 7 is the most common form of bankruptcy in the United States."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_7,_Title_11,_United_St...
Pure copium.
If you don't think he can keep selling 1B a year, I don't think anything I say will convince you.
No idea that the banks will somehow repossess Twitter from an unwilling Elon is detached from reality
In what sense?
1 Toyota Motor Corp 10,495,548 (same) +11.8%
2 Volkswagen Group 8,610,100 (same) -5.5%
3 Renault Nissan Mitsubishi Alliance 7,680,014 (same) -1.3%
4 Hyundai Motor Group 6,667,085 +1 +5.0%
5 Stellantis 6,583,269 +1 +5.2%
6 General Motors 6,291,000 -2 -7.9%
7 Honda 4,121,000 (same) -6.5%
8 Ford Motor Company 3,942,000 (same) -5.9%
9 Suzuki 2,763,000 +1 12.9%
10 BMW 2,521,514 +1 +8.5%
Notice who's not in that list?
Now let's look at market capitalization[2]:
1 TeslaTSLA $568.87 B
2 ToyotaTM $202.86 B
3 PorscheP911.DE $101.44 B
4 BYD002594.SZ $86.39 B
5 VolkswagenVOW3.DE $84.30 B
6 Mercedes-BenzMBG.DE $69.28 B
7 General MotorsGM $57.48 B
8 BMWBMW.DE $57.39 B
9 FordF $56.60 B
10 StellantisSTLA $48.87 B
There is no possible way Tesla is worth more then double what Toyota is, while shipping about 1/10th of the vehicles. The Price-Earnings ratio is 56, vs Toyota's 9.
By every possible metric, it is vastly overvalued compared to it's profitability, and there's no reason on the horizon to think it will suddenly catch up since all those automakers are moving directly into it's space.
[1] https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/who-won-the-automotive...
[2] https://companiesmarketcap.com/automakers/largest-automakers...
If you think Toyota's stock (or bonds etc) will increase in market price relative to Tesla, for a fee financial markets will let you bet on that conviction and make money, if you are right.
1. Generally, with large, complex systems like this, everything works, until it doesn't. All the big boys have major outages periodically. I just can't fathom how Twitter is going to handle that eventual certainty of a major outage when, as the other notes, in some cases there are teams that have 0 people left.
2. More than the technical issues, betting that Twitter will go bankrupt is the easiest bet one can make. Musk saddled Twitter with a shit ton of debt - even if things worked as they did before he had to cut tons of people due to the debt burden.
The issue I see is that #2 directly works against #1. Musk has said it will be lots of intense work adding new features to try to raise revenue. But making a ton of changes, probably with lots of shortcuts to get them out the door quickly, especially when so much institutional knowledge has walked out the door, will make keeping the site stable even that much harder.