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Re:Is Wine Fake? by kube-system on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:09PM (#33698766)
Above $60, you’re mostly paying for name, provenance, or prestige rather than taste.
Re:Is Wine Fake? by surement on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:15PM (#33698839)
Just because you don't know how to appreciate well-made things doesn't mean that they're strictly ostentatious.
Re:Is Wine Fake? by kube-system on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:40PM (#33699149)
You can absolutely get a top quality wine for <$60. Even the fancy 18th century European wineries that sell $10,000 bottles of wine will tell you this. I know because I have visited them.
Re:Is Wine Fake? by surement on Monday November 21, 2022 @06:17PM (#33699567)
you can get great wine for under $60 but not top quality

> Scarcity is the number one factor that determines the price of an expensive wine.

just because something is rare doesn't mean it's good; a random rock on a beach is one of a kind but you couldn't sell it for a penny

> good quality wine from a recent vintage will cost less than an equally desirable wine from an older vintage, simply because people haven't drank most of it yet.

no, if it's less expensive it's because there is work involved in cellaring a wine and that adds value

Re:Is Wine Fake? by kube-system on Monday November 21, 2022 @09:02PM (#33700858)
> just because something is rare doesn't mean it's good

That is precisely what I am saying. Rare (and because of that, expensive) doesn’t make a wine good.

> no, if it's less expensive it's because there is work involved in cellaring a wine and that adds value

Yes, for wines that are hundreds of dollars, but that doesn’t necessarily add any quality. For wines that are thousands of dollars, they’re just scarce.

Re:Is Wine Fake? by triceratops on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:29PM (#33699009)
"Ostentation - pretentious and vulgar display, especially of wealth and luxury"

To a person who can't tell the difference between cheap and expensive wine, expensive wine is "strictly ostentatious" by definition.

Re:Is Wine Fake? by taneq on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:26PM (#33698973)
How’d you get ‘strictly’ from ‘mostly’?
Re:Is Wine Fake? by surement on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:46PM (#33699216)
added it in after reading my comment but not re-reading the parent
Re:Is Wine Fake? by mihaaly on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:46PM (#33699222)
I appears so that they talk about the sell price and not about how well it is made.
Re:Is Wine Fake? by cthalupa on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @01:40AM (#33702799)
Well, kind of. You might still be paying for taste, but not necessarily for objective quality. As many people have pointed out in these comments, sometimes you are paying for interesting flavor profiles that are not as easily found in moderately priced wines.

That doesn't necessarily mean better, but you might be paying for scarcity in the flavor.

Re:Is Wine Fake? by kube-system on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @02:02AM (#33702937)
Fair enough, taste is ultimately objective.

My point is more-so that the more general consensus of quality has asymptotic diminishing returns after around that point.