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Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by photochemsyn on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:24AM (#33693565)
Traditionally, the real value that comes with owning a media outlet is not revenue generation, it's being able to manipulate public opinion and promote certain narratives over others.

The fact that Musk seems to view it instead as mostly a lark, a meta-trolling game that's looking more like The Onion writ large, with no real expectation that satire and parody can reliably be distinguished from 'serious journalism' (which has, again traditionally, included a lot of state-corporate propaganda) - this seems to be raising institutional hackles.

It might be an attempt to mimic Tik-Tok's success by switching Twitter over to essentially an entertainment channel?

Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by mikkergp on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:41AM (#33693777)
> It might be an attempt to mimic Tik-Tok's success by switching Twitter over to essentially an entertainment channel?

The real confusing part is Musk’s insistence on a public square but yeah this seems much more realistic. But still not an easy path, he’s got a long way to go to change the tooling and culture of Twitter. Maybe he could sign someone like Mr. Beast? Or another of the bro-y YouTubers? But I would think that’s a better deal for Musk than a successful YouTuber, even with improved revenue sharing their view count would probably drop significantly for a long time.

Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by rchaud on Monday November 21, 2022 @11:13AM (#33694171)
> It might be an attempt to mimic Tik-Tok's success by switching Twitter over to essentially an entertainment channel?

Considering how badly the $8/mo feature launch was botched, how threadbare their staff is, and how bad video on Twitter always was.....I think this is unlikely.

Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by atoav on Monday November 21, 2022 @12:48PM (#33695520)
I think there is no evidence that what we wittness here is an attempt at anything in particular. This looks more like Elon tries to throw mud at the wall to see what sticks, intermixed with impulsive, unchecked ideas and panicked reactions.
Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by root_axis on Monday November 21, 2022 @02:19PM (#33696645)
> It might be an attempt to mimic Tik-Tok's success by switching Twitter over to essentially an entertainment channel?

Twitter has always been and continues to be an entertainment channel by an overwhelming margin. It's the digital equivalent of the magazine rack in the supermarket checkout aisle.

Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by raspberry1337 on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:24AM (#33693566)
CBS came back to advertising after 40 hours [1]

[1] https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/cbs-news-resumes-twitt...

Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by sidibe on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:38AM (#33693743)
That doesn't say anything about advertising, just tweeting.
Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by smoldesu on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:13AM (#33693428)
> [Twitter] hasn’t booked an annual profit since 2019, and posted a loss in eight years of the past decade. The company’s net loss narrowed in 2021, to $221.4 million from $1.14 billion the previous year.

Hard to imagine what shareholder morale looks like for a company that has lost money for the better half of a decade.

Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by pohl on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:19AM (#33693504)
Is it common to refer to the owners of a private company as "shareholders"? (TWTR was delisted.)
Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by drKarl on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:35AM (#33693707)
Or bagholders?
Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by fakedang on Monday November 21, 2022 @11:47AM (#33694668)
Private shares are, at the end of the day, still shares.
Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by FartyMcFarter on Monday November 21, 2022 @01:17PM (#33695883)
The current private holders knew what they were getting into though, at least as far as past financial results.

Granted, they may not have known that Musk was going to unleash this much chaos so quickly on the company.

Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by lambic2 on Monday November 21, 2022 @09:21PM (#33700971)
Didn't Elon buy every outstanding Twitter share with the $44 billion since it was a cash offer? That would mean there are no remaining Twitter shareholders besides Musk.
Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by ryanwaggoner on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @10:28AM (#33706790)
Dorsey retained a chunk, maybe others
Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by throwaway71271 on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:31AM (#33693654)
they had 128m loss first quarter, with avg dev salary of 100k per year, then he needs to fire 5k devs to break even :)
Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by sidibe on Monday November 21, 2022 @10:40AM (#33693759)
First fire all the devs, then rewrite the software to reduce server costs.
Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by xilinx_guy on Monday November 21, 2022 @01:07PM (#33695754)
I was never interested in Twitter before, but under Musk, it's become hilariously entertaining. If Musk can add functionality, like payments, crypto, markets, etc, I can see myself paying the $8 to subscribe.

The Babylon Bee should be getting paid for content creation. Best comedy on the web these days.

Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by FartyMcFarter on Monday November 21, 2022 @01:23PM (#33695979)
> If Musk can add functionality, like payments, crypto, markets

He better start hiring quickly then. The current skeleton crew is, at best, enough to stop Twitter from imploding.

I'm hearing of whole teams wiped out, and other teams having just one person left (now permanently on call), which sounds unsustainable on multiple levels.

Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by papito on Tuesday November 22, 2022 @07:02AM (#33704815)
[Goes to Babylon Bee]

"If Women Had The Same Rights As Guns - Feminists say they want their uteruses to have the same rights as guns. Now, it's become a reality: women have all the same rights as your AR-15!"

Misogynistic jokes among rampant mass shooting violence is hilllarious.

Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by mseidl on Monday November 21, 2022 @01:14PM (#33695832)
Did musk take on the existing 5ish billion in debt that twitter had?
Re:How Musk’s Twitter Faces Mountain of Debt, Falling Revenu... by aorloff on Monday November 21, 2022 @08:15PM (#33700563)
Elon seems to have no interest in building Twitter's ad business. I wonder if the lenders will have the courage to try to salvage their investment. At this point, what's left might still recover most of the debt, but even that likely gone in a year.