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Re:South Africa's national electricity crisis to worsen by epolanski on Sunday November 20, 2022 @06:30PM (#33686702)
> Soviets didn't help either

They literally built everything after the war and transformed Poland in a country where no one was jobless or homeless a decade after ww2.

Socialism was a godsend (socially and economically) in after-war Poland and so was getting rid of it 4 decades later and later joining the EU.

Re:South Africa's national electricity crisis to worsen by superchroma on Sunday November 20, 2022 @07:09PM (#33687032)
maybe godsend is too strong a term for a repressive, corrupt military occupation that only ended in 1992.
Re:South Africa's national electricity crisis to worsen by epolanski on Monday November 21, 2022 @04:49AM (#33690758)
We have never had a soviet military occupation. You're thinking about Hungary and Czech Republic.
Re:South Africa's national electricity crisis to worsen by inglor_cz on Monday November 21, 2022 @03:37AM (#33690262)
I grew up next to the Polish border. In the 80s, the grocery stores were literally empty and everything had to be bought on the black market. In a country that is fairly agriculturally productive no less.

Don't lecture me on "socialism being a godsend". I saw it with my own eyes. It was a dirty, suffocating, ossified structure where prosperity was a crime, and so was any freedom.

Re:South Africa's national electricity crisis to worsen by epolanski on Monday November 21, 2022 @04:50AM (#33690768)
Man I'm Polish, grocery stores have never been empty.

We had martial law between 81 and 83 which made life difficult, as you can imagine a martial law can do, but no one was starving.

Re:South Africa's national electricity crisis to worsen by inglor_cz on Monday November 21, 2022 @04:55AM (#33690794)
I visited places like Cieszyn, Katowice and Sosnowiec when I was a kid, and anything beyond the most basic things had to be bought on the black market.

You could have bread and milk in the official grocery stores, as long as you were willing to rise early and stand in queue. By 10 am, already sold out.

Buying meat, IIRC, was already somewhat of a challenge. The authorities tried to "re-educate" people towards canned fish.

But the black markets were huge. Impressively huge. You could buy a lot of stuff there, plus sometimes peddlers went door-to-door selling stuff from their backpacks.

Re:South Africa's national electricity crisis to worsen by epolanski on Monday November 21, 2022 @05:08PM (#33698750)
Yes, it's true. Meat has always been highly trafficked on the black market.

Queues existed, this is also true, but again, those were limited to certain rare periods.