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Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by hobbitstan on Sunday November 20, 2022 @01:42PM (#33683843)
'Unbiased news you can trust!'

The BBC is an integral part of the UK government and it's premiere propaganda machine. They force the public to pay for it or face jail time. Including retirees who can't afford to heat their homes.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by b1476 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:03PM (#33684048)
What you’re referring to is the TV license fee and you’re not obliged to pay for it at all, you can simply opt out as outlined in the various letters you’ll receive if you don’t pay for it. It’s a deeply flawed system that many disagree with, but to say the public is forced to pay it is false.
Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by jimbob45 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:07PM (#33684094)
Is it not voted upon?
Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by chrisseaton on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:30PM (#33684353)
Politicians put their positions on the BBC in their manifestos and you can pick a representative which has the views on the BBC most similar to your own. Just like almost all other issues.
Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by smcl on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:10PM (#33684125)
I don't think it's unpopular enough yet to have any popular public outcry over the funding model large enough that it'd reach parliament. But BBC News has put their thumb on the scale a few times during the Conservative government, so there's a small but growing resentment of the org
Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by MonkeyMalarky on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:26PM (#33684298)
It's interesting to see this comment about the BBC. It's eerily familiar to criticism of CBC in Canada, almost like a narrative is being pushed. Anyways, I trust them both way more than the junk produced by Rupert Murdoch or Conrad Black.
Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by hef19898 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:45PM (#33684525)
Same in Germany or Austria, seems right wing populist talking points are ending up all over the world.
Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by cmeacham98 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:06PM (#33684082)
This claim sets of my bullshit sensor.

By my understanding, the BBC license fee is only required if you get television service, if not you can opt out.

You'd think if someone was unable to heat their home they wouldn't be paying for TV, and thus wouldn't have to pay the BBC tax either.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by makerofthings on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:19PM (#33684220)
You need to pay a license for watching TV programs at the same time they are being broadcast on a channel or for using iplayer. I have a TV and watch Netflix, Disney+ etc. and don’t need a license.
Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by marcus_holmes on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:21PM (#33684236)
You have to prove to the authorities that you are unable to receive a TV signal on any device in your house to avoid the BBC fee. It's not as easy as just "opting out".
Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by doix on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:56PM (#33684634)
You fill in a form online (I think you can do it by post as well) and it's done.

There is a small chance they send someone over to check. They normally show up between 9-5, so if you're at work, chances are you'll never see them to let them in.

If you are home and they knock, you don't have to let them in. You can politely tell them to leave.

Or you can show them your TV and that it's not hooked up to an aerial. They'll ask if you use iPlayer, you say no and they leave you alone.

Source: lived in the UK, never paid for TV license. I let them in once to see what would happen.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by marcus_holmes on Monday November 21, 2022 @04:48AM (#33690754)
I'm old enough to remember the TV detector vans.

(I lived on the Isle of Man for a while, and the local newspaper would be alerted by the ferrymen when the van was shipped over, and run a warning for everyone to turn their TVs off for a few days).

It's only easier to evade now because flat-screen TVs don't emit radio signals they can detect from the street.

If enough people opt out then they'll do what they do in Germany: everyone pays it regardless of whether you have a TV or not.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by 6510 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:51PM (#33684584)
There is nothing wrong with your bullshit sensor. Sadly, it is every bit as silly as detected.

This one was amusing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_nRsnd2-Lo

More laughs here: https://www.youtube.com/@fu4nvf/videos

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by seized on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:08PM (#33684100)
And? Those retirees are "forced" to pay for roads they may not be able to drive on, research of all kinds they may not benefit from, education systems for children and grandchildren they may not have had, and all sorts of other things. All of those (BBC/news included) are very good things and it is insane to complain about them. Especially when the alternative is things like Fox News and Murdochs other trash propaganda companies.
Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by chrisseaton on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:31PM (#33684371)
> Those retirees are "forced" to pay for roads they may not be able to drive on

Well no they're not because most of them don't pay tax as they're below the threshold.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by harvey9 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:29PM (#33684332)
"All of those (BBC/news included) are very good things and it is insane to complain about them."

That's an assertion not an argument.

I disconnected and stopped paying when Jimmy Saville made posthumous headlines.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by 6510 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:56PM (#33684627)
I still benefit from roads eventho I rarely use them.

You may not watch Fox News and Murdochs other trash propaganda companies without paying the BBC.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by sportslife on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:37PM (#33684442)
The BBC has a viewpoint, and that viewpoint is very critical of its own government. If you want evidence but don't want to watch any of their news programmes, I highly recommend the series W1A, in which the BBC satirizes itself as a ineffective, out-of-touch, farce that wastes the public's fees.
Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by superchroma on Sunday November 20, 2022 @01:57PM (#33683987)
"the force the public to pay for it or face jail time"

That is the premise of taxes, yes. I may not get sick enough to justify a hospital visit this decade, yet I contribute to socialized healthcare all the same.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by throw_m239339 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:07PM (#33684084)
> That is the premise of taxes, yes. I may not get sick enough to justify a hospital visit this decade, yet I contribute to socialized healthcare all the same.

Nobody should go to jail for refusing to contribute to the local "Pravda". Governments shouldn't be in that line of business at first place.

Finally it's not a tax, it's a fee.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by smcl on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:13PM (#33684153)
BBC is more than just BBC News. And while BBC News itself isn't perfect (in recent years under the Tories slipping to the right) it's streets ahead of the various Murdoch news outlets.

It's not perfect, but it's not Pravda and describing it as such is quite ridiculous

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by throw_m239339 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:16PM (#33684188)
> It's not perfect, but it's not Pravda and describing it as such is quite ridiculous

Of course if you agree with the BBC editorial line, you'll find nothing wrong with the BBC. Just like Fox News audience don't see any problems with Fox News bias. What is ridiculous is thinking that only Murdoch controlled media lies.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by smcl on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:23PM (#33684260)
I certainly don't always agree with the "BBC editorial line" - it has moved the needle against a few things that I've supported. However it is farcical to compare it to Pravda or even FOX, and I think you're showing how little exposure you've had to the BBC by doing so.

> thinking that only Murdoch controlled media lies.

I mentioned the various Murdoch properties because they're the most egregious and shameless. There's bias everywhere, and I never said there wasn't

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by throw_m239339 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:31PM (#33684365)
> I certainly don't always agree with the "BBC editorial line" - it has moved the needle against a few things that I've supported. However it is farcical to compare it to Pravda or even FOX, and I think you're showing how little exposure you've had to the BBC by doing so.

I think you are certainly showing how little critical thinking you do when it comes to judging the BBC reporting quality if you keep defending it as somehow "superior" to rags and tabloids.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by smcl on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:41PM (#33684484)
And I think you're a reactionary fool if you lump BBC News with Pravda and FOX
Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by chrisseaton on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:33PM (#33684397)
> Finally it's not a tax, it's a fee.

No you're mistaken - it is actually legally a tax and has been since 2006.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by seized on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:09PM (#33684108)
And no one has to pay it since it's a license fee. There are ways to opt out if you don't have a TV. So stop being dramatic.
Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by throw_m239339 on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:14PM (#33684171)
> And no one has to pay it since it's a license fee. There are ways to opt out if you don't have a TV. So stop being dramatic.

You still have to pay it IF you have a TV. That doesn't change my first point as there is absolutely nothing "dramatic" about pointing out the dangers of a media directly controlled by the government. Stop acting like government controlled press isn't prone to manipulating their audience.

Re:BBC ignores World Cup opening ceremony in favour of Qatar... by hprotagonist on Sunday November 20, 2022 @02:11PM (#33684138)
ministry of owsinge?!

it was spelt like that on the van!