It's honestly a bit shocking it's even made it to the front page.

There's 2 times more comments than minutes since the it was posted, about half of which are flagged, so I don't think this thread has long left.

Weekend HN has more posts by the right-leaning culture warriors. Has been the case for several years at least. Race and Gender related topics seem to be more frequent on the weekends.

Just because someone disagrees with you on an issue like this doesn't make them right leaning. Adding on the culture warrior part seems rather childish.

I have strong opinions on this subject but I don't think it's possible to have a healthy and productive conversation about it in a forum and medium such as this.

There are some subjects for which it is not possible to have a productive discussion at all anywhere, and this is one of them. This is an ideological difference so strong that it makes it difficult for the opposing views to even share a society.

It's only shocking because the "socialism is ok" crowd so consistently flag anything that disagrees with their ideology, regardless of article merit, that they've got used to controlling the conversation through censorship. Now you get exposed to the fact that most people don't agree and don't know how to handle it.

I've comported myself quite well in this thread, and elsewhere.

Please don't generalize about people because they hold different opinions than you. Just because someone is a socialist does not make them a cudgel wielding censor, just like someone being a republican does not make them a fascist.

I've had many positive interactions with people in this thread I strongly disagree with.

I'd encourage you to be more open minded and not write off people so quickly.

You're right, you have done pretty well here - I was taking your comment as a jumping off point for a more general theme, it wasn't meant to be a personal attack against you specifically.

"Just because someone is a socialist does not make them a cudgel wielding censor"

Although it's clearly a true statement in the technical sense - there are surely at least a few people like that - my bitter personal experience has been that people who self identify as socialists are nearly always cudgel wielding censors given half the chance. Are there any countries that both declare themselves to be socialist and yet have a truly free press, and free speech rights? Have there been in the past? I can't think of any. They always have strict state control of what people can say.

And so that was my point. You're shocked to see this on HN, and it's not because such stories don't get posted. They do. What happens is, almost always, they get immediately flagged to death. It's not some generalized anti-politics rule or anything to do with the underlying quality of the article either, there's a clear ideological bent to what makes it through.

>>Just because someone is a socialist does not make them a cudgel wielding censor

If you indulge me in a mental experiment. If there would be a person on HN with a nickname "nationalsocialismisok" and claiming him being a national socialist doesn't make him a jew(or other minority) hater. Would you believe them?

You want a flame war?

Twitter did this to society. Now it's being destroyed. Karma.

Most folks agree on biological facts, and the science is fairly consistent at this point. There remains a group who refuses to accept that we've improved our understanding of the human condition over the past several decades, unfortunately.

I think you're talking about a minority of people. Most people don't care about this topic, all they care is to atleast allow acknowledging fundamental facts and reality without being called a bigot.

Strange that my original comment was flagged. I guess, I will be leaving a place that doesn't allow civil discourse.

> I guess, I will be leaving a place that doesn't allow civil discourse.

You should by Hacker News for $44 Billion, then you can publish whatever you want!

Yeah many good folk have left HN, it's become an ideological echo-chamber. It used to be so amazing.

I can't imagine us discussing things like in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12909752

Take care.

Truly tragic that Hacker News has moved away from politics.

What self-labeling is being denied to her? She seems to be mostly complaining about labels others use, in the general case.

Nobody is saying this woman isn't a woman or isn't allowed to identify as a woman. (Or mother.)

It's already there; I'm having to quote specifics from the article to show just how dark this mindset is and link to topics like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TERF to fend off people who are ok erasing others who are trans.

Lots of deaded comments calling comments in here some specific political ideology when all it is is people coming together to defend the basic acknowledgment that people have a right to live as they are without being trampled on by others.

Even mine (that only points out that the parent link is typical of trans-exclusionary radical feminism) sits at -4 as of this edit because there's a strain of people offended at being called out for their own hatred. It's so much easier to just not hate people for being different rather than stewing on that pot of evil; I don't get it.

>there's a strain of people offended at being called out for their own hatred.

No, we downvote inane comments like yours.

This is true, but whatever discussion or flamewar comes out of it, it is neccessary. We can't pretend this conflict of language does not exist. It needs to ache out.

True. But these flame wars need to happen. Only with uncomfortable discussions can we come to any kind of consensus on contentious issues like this.

Even if the consensus is "agreeing to respectably disagree" once everyone is heard.

The Quillete is a far right rag and the OP has a history of posting not only flamebait submissions but also flamebait comments. Disappointed that this story wasn't flagged into oblivion, but not surprised given I've seen people harassed off HN by those very types.