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Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by foverzar on Saturday November 19, 2022 @02:07PM (#33673464)
> it was Russia

Blowing up its own pipeline that cost billions and years to build, effectively weakening its strategic position and limiting bargain options with Europe?

Yeah, sure.

Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by Mikeb85 on Saturday November 19, 2022 @02:17PM (#33673571)
You really haven't paid attention to anything Russia's done for the last 20 years, have you?

They love letting the west know they can "touch" us while maintaining plausible deniability...

Also, it's not the only pipeline to Europe... And the US could have pressured EU allies into not purchasing Russian gas regardless of what Russia did.

Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by DSingularity on Saturday November 19, 2022 @02:23PM (#33673655)
Try to sit back and think through things before you hit submit.

It makes no sense for Russia to destroy the only carrot it has for Europe.

While it makes perfect sense for the US to do this.

The US position and and influence over Europe strengthens while the opposite holds for Russia.

So who do you think did it?

Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by Mikeb85 on Saturday November 19, 2022 @02:29PM (#33673705)
> It makes no sense for Russia to destroy the only carrot it has for Europe.

> While it makes perfect sense for the US to do this.

As I said, people who think things like this haven't paid attention to Russia at all.

Also, as I said, the US can pressure allies into refusing Russian gas; pipeline or no pipeline.

Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by DSingularity on Sunday November 20, 2022 @12:03PM (#33682755)
By destroying the pipeline the US ensures that their “allies” (some may call them vassals) will toe the line. After all, those who were dependent on Russia are now dependent on the US.

Those with independent minds won’t suspend reason just because “Mikeb85” said it twice on hackernews.

Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by foverzar on Saturday November 19, 2022 @04:52PM (#33675158)
> You really haven't paid attention to anything Russia's done for the last 20 years, have you?

> They love letting the west know they can "touch" us while maintaining plausible deniability...

This is just a feeling of self-importance having a crossover with years of typical boogeyman narratives.

Reality doesn't function that way, nobody will be losing sleep and precious resources just for the kicks and to stick it to the westerners, without any substantial gain - let's keep it sane and reasonable.

> Also, it's not the only pipeline to Europe...

And? Please be specific, it's impossible to guess what someone is imagining and implying.

> And the US could have pressured EU allies into not purchasing Russian gas regardless of what Russia did.

Not sure what you mean. They tried and failed. Not that they tried too hard - it would have been impossible anyway. NordStream pipelines weren't even the biggest carriers of Russian gas to Europe.