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Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by MichaelCollins on Saturday November 19, 2022 @12:37PM (#33672405)
> terrorist attack

A targeted attack against a strategic resource, during a war, with no [direct] civilian casualties. This doesn't meet the common definitions of terrorism. This is equivalent to bombing train yards, not city centers. The best argument for it being terrorism is the civilians who may freeze to death this winter, but even that is dubious.

Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by readonthegoapp on Saturday November 19, 2022 @04:04PM (#33674659)
i would argue, if any party, group, organization, state intentionally blows up civilian infrastructure, it is either a terrorist attack and/or a war crime.

if it is by a state, then it could be considered 'aggression' -- the 'supreme international crime'.

as for the no direct / immediate civilian casualties part ("dubious") -- we can think of myriad examples of terror attacks and war crimes where the vast majority of civilians dying as a result of said attacks came later, even from 'indirect' causes -- dresden, hiroshima, nagasaki, al-shifa, etc.

but whether you decide to classify it as a terror attack, terrorism, war crime, or something better or worse, i think we should be consistent, regardless of who the perpetrator(s) is/are.

Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by orwin on Saturday November 19, 2022 @04:40PM (#33675071)
My quick definition of terrorism is (loose translation): systematic violence for political gain.

A terrorist attack is an attack perpetrated in a terrorist campaign. I don't think this really qualify, but i guess i could see why.

It could be a war crime though.

Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by yencabulator on Sunday November 20, 2022 @04:28PM (#33685535)
Destroying "civilian" airports, bridges, ports, transformers, water towers etc infrastructure is sort of standard practice in war though -- I doubt the states actually waging war are willing to consider those war crimes.
Re:Nord Stream leaks confirmed as sabotage, Sweden says by readonthegoapp on Sunday November 20, 2022 @10:12PM (#33688272)
Russia is at war with Ukraine. so Ukraine did it?