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Re:Some notes on the Stable Diffusion safety filter by maxbond on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:54PM (#33665366)
Nope, it's not like that in any way at all. AI aren't children, they're a technological artefact a group of people assembled, with no more moral dimension than a toaster. The people who would be the targets of Stable Diffusion-generated porn, depictions they did not consent to, they're actual people who's privacy would be harmed. Technology is an artefact of the society that produced it, and is shaped by it's values. This is not the symptom of any sort of problem.

This type of technological fetishism that holds that technology should be developed for it's own sake and that the well being of society is secondary should be discarded. Technology should be developed to make people's lives better or to expand our understanding, not just because it can be. That's how we end up with the proliferation of harmful technologies of no benefit.

Re:Some notes on the Stable Diffusion safety filter by geysersam on Saturday November 19, 2022 @04:53AM (#33668703)
> The people who would be the targets of Stable Diffusion-generated porn, depictions they did not consent to

Is it just me finding this notion of someone generating nsfw content to show it to other people without their consent really far fetched?

It's about a hundred times more likely they just want it for themselves.

The internet has billions of terrible images. If someone wants to spam awful porn today, they can just do it. No SD necessary.

Re:Some notes on the Stable Diffusion safety filter by maxbond on Saturday November 19, 2022 @11:38AM (#33671667)
There are already communities of people creating & sharing this imagery.
Re:Some notes on the Stable Diffusion safety filter by washadjeffmad on Saturday November 19, 2022 @10:49AM (#33671204)
> AI aren't children

That doesn't mean they couldn't or shouldn't be regulated as if they were. At some point, intelligence will be protected, and the implications of creating and training it may be governed in similar ways as humans currently allow.

Just as I see a clear and total delineation between commercial and non-commercial entities, defining non-adult and adult (or 'able to consent' and 'unable to consent') may be litmus tests for whether certain laws will apply under a non-human-centric world view.

Re:Some notes on the Stable Diffusion safety filter by maxbond on Saturday November 19, 2022 @11:46AM (#33671729)
No, it does mean that. There are actual humans who's rights need to be protected, and there exists no AGI. In a world where AGI exists we'll probably want to create some legislation around that. But it'd be a mistake not to acknowledge that isn't the world we're living in and to make laws based on science fiction.

Realized problems take precedence over hypotheticals.

Re:Some notes on the Stable Diffusion safety filter by washadjeffmad on Saturday November 19, 2022 @05:10PM (#33675335)
Do you think the world we lives in constitutes intelligences that are non-human? Do you believe that all humans possess the same intelligence?

It's not just humans we need to protect, is it?

Re:Some notes on the Stable Diffusion safety filter by maxbond on Saturday November 19, 2022 @09:33PM (#33677532)
> Do you think the world we lives in constitutes intelligences that are non-human?

I've seen enough evidence to believe animals have a subjective and individual experience, and I believe most or all of them are intelligent, sure. That doesn't seem like what you meant though, I don't see any evidence that AI has a subjective experience, and I don't understand the relevance to the topic at hand, so I'm not sure if I'm engaging with this thought experiment correctly.

> Do you believe that all humans possess the same intelligence?

I don't believe relative intelligence is a measurable quantity, or even coherent as a concept (it evaporates if you really start to scrutinize it), so my answer to this question is undefined.

> It's not just humans we need to protect, is it?

Until such a time as AI have a subjective experience, it is not possible to harm them, morally speaking. Any more than it would be possible to harm a toaster - you could damage a toaster in the physical sense, but a toaster cannot suffer. If we are weighing harms against humans and AI as it exists today, we should come down on the side of humans every time.

Which isn't to say that intelligence is a bar you have to pass to deserve protection, for instance I support protecting rivers and even granting them water rights but I don't claim that rivers are intelligent. But the claim I was responding to was specifically that building limitations into an AI was harmful to the AI and analogous to child abuse.