Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by tptacek on Friday November 18, 2022 @06:11PM
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I don't think it worked. Her ultimate sentence was higher than the PSR.
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Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by yumraj on Friday November 18, 2022 @06:49PM
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And she messed the life of 1 young child and 1 unborn baby just in the hope that it'll help.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by tptacek on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:06PM
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Again: her sentencing memorandum doesn't even seem to mention the kid. We should be careful about making stuff up to fit a narrative.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by metadat on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:12PM
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The court doesn't need to mention it to discreetly take it into account. Otherwise why wait until April to begin the sentence? Did they mention the pregnancy there? This is a legal, social, and political orchestration process, not a computational system.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by tptacek on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:27PM
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There are lots of reasons the BOP would prefer to avoid incarcerating pregnant women. Surrenders are usually 4-6 weeks out; with the holidays, that pushes out into January. She's not getting that much of a break.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by jjtheblunt on Friday November 18, 2022 @10:50PM
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Perhaps a delay to give birth?
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by tptacek on Friday November 18, 2022 @11:16PM
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Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Far-out surrender dates are not that unusual.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by yumraj on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:55PM
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I believe you misunderstood my comment.
If I was facing a jail time, I would NOT have kids till there is clarity. But I guess that is the distance between me and …
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by kortilla on Friday November 18, 2022 @09:54PM
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The urge to reproduce is real. She’ll be as barren as the Sahara by the time she gets out so it was now or never.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by alasdair_ on Friday November 18, 2022 @10:04PM
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It’s a choice between have a child now or never have any children.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by vkou on Saturday November 19, 2022 @12:41AM
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Well, I'm glad that she did the thing that she wanted, at the cost of another human being getting to grow up without a mother.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by kortilla on Saturday November 19, 2022 @02:32AM
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Not a good look to argue whether a woman should have the right to reproduce.
Her children will live better lives than 99% of the children on the planet despite not having their mother present until their pre-teen years.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by jinder on Saturday November 19, 2022 @04:13AM
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Er no - the loss of a mother is extremely traumatic to a child. It can lead to long term mental health issues and physical health issues.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by foldr on Saturday November 19, 2022 @04:46AM
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Lots of kids suffer worse deprivations than having one parent in jail. Life is tough, but these kids probably have a better than average shot at a good life.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by jinder on Saturday November 19, 2022 @05:44AM
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And what makes you think that?
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by foldr on Saturday November 19, 2022 @07:31AM
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They'll be raised by a wealthy family with every material advantage in life. Some estimates have it that around 1 in 8 children in America go hungry at some point in their childhoods. So even if these kids are just fed regularly, that puts them ahead of millions of children.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by wwtrv on Saturday November 19, 2022 @09:38AM
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The child did not lose a mother, if he/she never had one. Also she'll be out around the time the child will start elementary school. So yes the child will still be in a better spot than 99% of all children in single family households and probably than almost all in low income ones as well.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by vkou on Saturday November 19, 2022 @01:14PM
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It's not a question of rights, since she obviously has them, it's a question of 'How fucked up is it to put your desire to have a child over that child's wellbeing.'
At some point in the desire to wellbeing ratio, that equation crosses the line into 'incredibly selfish'. Children aren't just trophies for their parents.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f...
by twelve40 on Friday November 18, 2022 @10:36PM
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how did she mess those up? from what I hear, those kids will be taken care of better than most kids on this planet. Sure, not having the mother close is terrible, but who are we to judge that they would have been better off never born? And yes, she probably did this intentionally, but it really was her last chance to even have kids.