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Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by tptacek on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:06PM (#33664873)
Again: her sentencing memorandum doesn't even seem to mention the kid. We should be careful about making stuff up to fit a narrative.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by metadat on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:12PM (#33664943)
The court doesn't need to mention it to discreetly take it into account. Otherwise why wait until April to begin the sentence? Did they mention the pregnancy there? This is a legal, social, and political orchestration process, not a computational system.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by tptacek on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:27PM (#33665105)
There are lots of reasons the BOP would prefer to avoid incarcerating pregnant women. Surrenders are usually 4-6 weeks out; with the holidays, that pushes out into January. She's not getting that much of a break.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by jjtheblunt on Friday November 18, 2022 @10:50PM (#33666745)
Perhaps a delay to give birth?
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by tptacek on Friday November 18, 2022 @11:16PM (#33666872)
Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Far-out surrender dates are not that unusual.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by yumraj on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:55PM (#33665380)
I believe you misunderstood my comment.

If I was facing a jail time, I would NOT have kids till there is clarity. But I guess that is the distance between me and …

Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by kortilla on Friday November 18, 2022 @09:54PM (#33666323)
The urge to reproduce is real. She’ll be as barren as the Sahara by the time she gets out so it was now or never.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by alasdair_ on Friday November 18, 2022 @10:04PM (#33666405)
It’s a choice between have a child now or never have any children.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by vkou on Saturday November 19, 2022 @12:41AM (#33667316)
Well, I'm glad that she did the thing that she wanted, at the cost of another human being getting to grow up without a mother.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by kortilla on Saturday November 19, 2022 @02:32AM (#33667940)
Not a good look to argue whether a woman should have the right to reproduce.

Her children will live better lives than 99% of the children on the planet despite not having their mother present until their pre-teen years.

Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by jinder on Saturday November 19, 2022 @04:13AM (#33668487)
Er no - the loss of a mother is extremely traumatic to a child. It can lead to long term mental health issues and physical health issues.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by foldr on Saturday November 19, 2022 @04:46AM (#33668662)
Lots of kids suffer worse deprivations than having one parent in jail. Life is tough, but these kids probably have a better than average shot at a good life.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by jinder on Saturday November 19, 2022 @05:44AM (#33669008)
And what makes you think that?
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by foldr on Saturday November 19, 2022 @07:31AM (#33669542)
They'll be raised by a wealthy family with every material advantage in life. Some estimates have it that around 1 in 8 children in America go hungry at some point in their childhoods. So even if these kids are just fed regularly, that puts them ahead of millions of children.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by wwtrv on Saturday November 19, 2022 @09:38AM (#33670454)
The child did not lose a mother, if he/she never had one. Also she'll be out around the time the child will start elementary school. So yes the child will still be in a better spot than 99% of all children in single family households and probably than almost all in low income ones as well.
Re:Elizabeth Holmes is sentenced to more than 11 years for f... by vkou on Saturday November 19, 2022 @01:14PM (#33672911)
It's not a question of rights, since she obviously has them, it's a question of 'How fucked up is it to put your desire to have a child over that child's wellbeing.'

At some point in the desire to wellbeing ratio, that equation crosses the line into 'incredibly selfish'. Children aren't just trophies for their parents.