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Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:36AM (#33653723)
> law allows newer standards to be used. USB-C is just the required minimum

Nobody is going to put two ports on a device. Required minimum is the legislated maximum for physical interfaces.

Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by Acinyx on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:46AM (#33653802)
I don't think you understand: It has to be USB-C or better. So if USB-D (or a worse name knowing the consortium) comes out, the idea behind the law is that it should also be allowed _instead_ of a USB-C port.

IANAL though, so I am unsure how well they legally described that requirement.

Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by JumpCrisscross on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:48AM (#33653826)
> the idea behind the law is that it should also be allowed _instead_ of a USB-C port

Indian courts are notoriously inefficient. “Better” would take a decade to define through case law. Anyone who can afford that is better served removing physical ports.

In any case, I see no evidence of this in current releases [1].

[1] https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1876583

Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by pretext-1 on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:03AM (#33653976)
"Better" is irrelevant to the law, the requirement is a USB standard that's USB-C or newer. Apple is in the USB-IF so they can innovate there together with other vendors.
Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by djbebs on Friday November 18, 2022 @07:59AM (#33653944)
So apple doesnt have to change because their ports are already better?
Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by dmitriid on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:03AM (#33653983)
> It has to be USB-C or better

What's the definition of "better". If Lightning is worse, then based on which criteria?

Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by Semaphor on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:35AM (#33654376)
> then based on which criteria?

Based on "It’s not USB".

Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by marmetio on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:43AM (#33654504)
So there's no way for a startup to create a new connector because they'd have to go through the USB implementor's forum.
Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by piva00 on Friday November 18, 2022 @10:49AM (#33656450)
"Think of the startups" is the standard flavour of "think of the children" on Hacker News.

No, there's no way for a startup selling handheld mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, handheld videogame consoles, portable speakers, e-readers, keyboards, mice, portable navigation systems, earbuds or laptops to invent their own shiny new connector for charging without providing support for USB-C at the same time.

What exactly is lost if a startup is not able to shove their proprietary connector instead of using the standard? A startup selling floor lamps can't sell their own proprietary power plug and outlet either.

Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by marmetio on Friday November 18, 2022 @01:02PM (#33658895)
> What exactly is lost

I know that historically most chargers are just a way to hide the true total cost of ownership. But the electronics industry is now shifting towards innovating in more areas than just shrinking the digital parts. Consumer electronics are a big part of how new stuff gets funded.

> A startup selling floor lamps can't sell their own proprietary power plug and outlet either.

Nobody forbids them from doing that.

Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by angio on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:44AM (#33654511)
IIRC the law just requires the port to be backward compatible with USB-C for charging.
Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by tsol on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:49AM (#33654598)
So it still has to be a wire produced by the USB consortium. And if another group comes up with a superior design, then are we just hurdled by regulations? Seems there should at least be a way for another standard to be chosen.
Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by anony999 on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:35AM (#33654378)
Apple just started doing that. It put usb-c on the newer macbooks along with its old/back from the dead magnetic connector.
Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by dmitriid on Friday November 18, 2022 @10:06AM (#33655740)
> Apple just started doing that. It put usb-c on the newer macbooks

Just? Apple was probably the first company to go full in on USB-C with Macbook Pro in 2016, 6 years ago

Re:India follows EU's example in requiring USB-C charging fo... by anony999 on Friday November 18, 2022 @11:34AM (#33657198)
yeah but only recently offered an alternative charging method (magsafe) along with USB-C