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Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by lost_tourist on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:04PM (#33648885)
I really hope it implodes. He has been so childish throughout, he deserves to lose the 44 billion. Sucks that thousands of people are out of work, but maybe this is better for them than a slow painful death of a once okayish company.
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by MBCook on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:27PM (#33649088)
What about all the poor people on visas who are now desperately looking for jobs to avoid having themselves and their families deported?
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by skinnymuch on Thursday November 17, 2022 @09:48PM (#33649313)
Twitter wouldn’t shut down completely. The company would continue running.
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by MBCook on Thursday November 17, 2022 @11:55PM (#33650532)
They already have basically no advertisers except SpaceX, which is a balance transfer in all but name, and maybe some right wing stuff. Real brands are terrified of them.

They have no money. It’s not coming in, and only gets worse when the site goes down.

They’re facing employment lawsuits over the last two weeks. They’re facing a discrimination lawsuit for requiring an employee with an ADA accommodation to work from home to work from the office (after that announcement).

The FTC is mad. Congress is mad. Who knows what other lawsuits/etc will pop up.

I just don’t understand how they can survive. Seems like chapter 7. Not “renegotiate the debt and we swear we’ll be fine” chapter 11. Sell every last post-it note and auction off the wall art to pay the creditors chapter 7.

I knew he’d ruin Twitter. I never expected anything like this. I expected people to slowly leave (platform and employment) due to new policies and values.

This was, and honestly is, unimaginable.

Did he really destroy $44B in three weeks?

Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by x86_64Ubuntu on Friday November 18, 2022 @01:34AM (#33651116)
I can't help but think that his buy was funded and supported by some regimes with less than honorable goals.
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by MBCook on Friday November 18, 2022 @04:38PM (#33662667)
That may be, but was their goal to destroy it? Or just have influence over what trends/censorship of posts?
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by martindbp on Friday November 18, 2022 @01:36AM (#33651128)
> They already have basically no advertisers except SpaceX

Source? Musk claimed a "massive drop" but who knows how much that is, if he exaggerated for effect or whether it's permanent ("paused" doesn't mean permanent, if it makes financial sense advertisers will return).

> I expected people to slowly leave

Yet number of users increased faster than ever. These kinds of predictions reminds me of the expectations that Trump would be prosecuted any day now thorough out his whole presidency.

Maybe Twitter will crash and burn, maybe Musk has absolutely no idea what he's doing, or maybe generally outraged people are bad at predicting the future because they're easily misled by their general dislike of someone's personality.

Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by dorkwood on Friday November 18, 2022 @02:36AM (#33651530)
> Yet number of users increased faster than ever.

Source on this? I've seen reports that the number of "monetizable daily active users" is up, but nothing about the actual user count.

Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by MBCook on Friday November 18, 2022 @10:35AM (#33656212)
Elon tweeted a graph showing a massive jump. But the Y axis was chosen for that purpose.

Someone responded with a graph whose Y axis started at 0. You couldn’t see the “massive jump” anymore.

It was actually like 0.5% increase based on the data in Elon’s chart.

Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by akiselev on Friday November 18, 2022 @02:15AM (#33651393)
He felt threatened by all the attention FTX was getting.

Elon: hold my beer.

Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by operatingthetan on Friday November 18, 2022 @03:24AM (#33651867)
Now do Tesla!
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by pjc50 on Friday November 18, 2022 @06:38AM (#33653241)
Eh, Tumblr was bought for $1bn, sold for $3m, and is still up. Twitter will most likely remain up in some form (unless the "black start" issues are really bad or the cloud bill is a lot more than expected) and get sold to someone quieter.
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by MBCook on Friday November 18, 2022 @10:39AM (#33656268)
Tumblr exists but is a tiny shadow of what it was. That’s what I expect, at best, of Twitter at this point.
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by guelo on Friday November 18, 2022 @02:48AM (#33651624)
Those are not poor people.
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by oneeyedpigeon on Friday November 18, 2022 @03:39AM (#33651965)
"Poor" can mean unfortunate as well as lacking in wealth.
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by guelo on Friday November 18, 2022 @09:58PM (#33666357)
Either way
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by mrguyorama on Friday November 18, 2022 @11:39AM (#33657281)
Maybe we shouldn't allow the US government to chain people to a company with no way out.
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by lost_tourist on Friday November 18, 2022 @03:50PM (#33661938)
Like I said I feel sorry for them, I can't imagine that the h1b and other programs don't have good will time for them to find other employment. Twitter doesn't hire hacks, I'm sure they'll be fine. I'm just talking about the overall greater good because I think they -all- will be out of a job soon. I never wanted twitter to die, but if it's just going to be parler with venmo shrug
Re:Twitter alerted employees all office buildings closed and... by int_19h on Friday November 18, 2022 @08:00PM (#33665416)
Until relatively recently - 2017, to be specific - someone on H1B who lost their job had no grace period to find other employment under the law. Enforcement was another matter, so many people chanced it regardless - but the concern is that overstaying one's visa can have significant consequences for your ability to get new ones long into the future if found out.

In 2017, USCIS unilaterally enacted a 60-day grace period as an administrative rule, which is still in effect today. But, given the current US job market in tech, 60 days may not be sufficient.

Twitter aside, it should also be noted that, being an administrative rule, it can be changed fairly easily for political reasons, since it doesn't have to go through Congress, and courts generally err on the side of executive agencies' judgment on such matters.