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Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by no_butterscotch on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:32PM (#33599613)
> We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today.

I'm curious about this. In my world COVID is over now. I live in San Francisco. Nobody I know is getting boosters or is worried about it anymore.

Where do you live and what are the circumstances like there that you're considering getting your "next" one? (you've been boosted before?).

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by eftychis on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:38PM (#33599720)
People I know are getting COVID in the Bay Area -- multiple weeks sick (I can count at least 6 -- in the moment -- for the span of middle of October until now). We are still in the pandemic.

The problem is it has to stop everywhere for us to get complacent. Especially, given that everyone wants to travel -- and travel abroad.

Pandemic is here. Nothing is over. We are distracted with other things. Things are "good" in San Francisco and the Bay now. No guarantee it will be so tomorrow.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by daliusd on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:16PM (#33600343)
It is endemic not pandemic anymore.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by Fomite on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:58PM (#33600932)
Endemic has a specific meaning - that there is an expected number of cases in a given population.

That's not really established for COVID-19.

Also, endemic doesn't mean something doesn't matter. In much of Africa, malaria is endemic.

What you mean is "As a society we stopped caring."

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by mensetmanusman on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:33PM (#33601474)
Not necessarily, endemic might mean that it matters, but those who are especially at risk are taking more precautions.

E.g. I see lots of young not wearing masks to protect themselves, and I see more older people protecting themselves with masks. Seems like a reasonable balance.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by eftychis on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:01PM (#33600972)
Pandemic means it is endemic "everywhere."

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/pandemic-vs-endemi...

It does not describe severity. Ebola is endemic in parts of Africa. I still hope nobody gets it.

We can change the meanings of words for political reasons but who do we do a disservice too?

Given that it is a word from my mother language I find it a bit insulting when politicians decide to change my language though to benefit for a year or two.

Tl;Dr: Saying that covid is "endemic" to the whole world, is an insult to my ears, logic, and a whole language and people. They should pick a different word if they want to disagree with doctors worldwide.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by peterbell_nyc on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:19PM (#33600390)
Same here. I live just north of NYC and it seems like pretty much everyone is getting covid. Luckily, mortality attributed to covid is continuing to decrease suggesting it's becoming less of an issue (in terms of deaths), but even with ~320 deaths a day, we're still looking at over 100k dying in the US every year of covid - despite the fact that a lot of the most vulnerable already died.

I think we just have a new normal in terms of life expectancy and mortality :(

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by Grim-444 on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:27PM (#33600517)
Weren't we already in that same situation every year/decade prior to covid when between 20,000 and 50,000 would die from the flu each year?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_influenza_statis...

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by PuppyTailWags on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:35PM (#33601498)
I think 20k/50k + an additional 100k from covid is pretty nasty, so I don't think it's the same at all. It's not like flu and covid are the same disease. I'm thinking covid will just add tens of thousands (or up to 100k like GP said). Sucks.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by jessaustin on Monday November 14, 2022 @06:33PM (#33602982)
These groups intersect, so we can't just add the two numbers.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by spfzero on Monday November 14, 2022 @08:25PM (#33604053)
That is not "of Covid", it is "with Covid". We are still counting a Covid death for each person who has Covid at the time of death, regardless of what actually caused the death. Probably some of those people died exactly of Covid, but many died of at least two things, counting "having Covid" as one of the co-morbidities.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by ryandrake on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:20PM (#33600404)
Yea, it's not even remotely over. People are bored of it, and it makes them sad, so a lot of them stopped taking precautions, but it's not over. It just ripped through my family in Florida (again) since nobody is masking there and everyone is just carrying on as if it were 2019. My kid's school seems to perpetually has a case or two. I take it seriously by getting boosted, masking, continuing to avoid crowds and public places that are indoors, and I intend to keep doing so. People act like it's a TV show that got cancelled or something. Nuts.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by pandeiro on Monday November 14, 2022 @05:13PM (#33602031)
Nuts is that on the basis of the flimsiest of evidence, your ascribing an efficacy in disease prevention to an intervention (wearing masks) that was widely understood to do no such thing prior to 2020.

Furthermore, respiratory disease avoidance on a society-wide scale has never and almost certainly will never be achieved. The assumption that it is an attainable goal is truly nuts.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by hombre_fatal on Monday November 14, 2022 @06:18PM (#33602807)
Or people have weighed the costs/benefits and have decided that your preferred precautions aren't worth it anymore to them.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by chroma on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:33PM (#33600591)
It should be clear by now that covid is never going away. No country managed to stop it, no matter how strict their policies were. Unless you plan to be a hermit for the rest of your life, expect to get covid every few years.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by archagon on Monday November 14, 2022 @06:21PM (#33602847)
Or you could reasonably wear an N95 mask indoors. Hardly being a "hermit".
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by chroma on Monday November 14, 2022 @07:42PM (#33603618)
Several of my friends and coworkers do that. All of them have gotten covid. N95 masks reduce the risk of getting a respiratory disease, but they're nowhere close to foolproof.

A CDC study found that people who wore N95 masks were 83% less likely to get covid than people who wore no mask,[1] but that overstates their effectiveness. People who wear N95s tend to behave differently than people who don't wear masks. They get vaccinated more, avoid gatherings, and generally try to reduce their risk of infection in other ways. Also the timing of the study is important. It was conducted before more infectious variants such as omicron were around. And since it was conducted when California required masks indoors, only 5% of participants claimed no mask usage. So the study compared N95 people against the most hardcore anti-maskers, not the typical person who doesn't wear a mask these days.

It is for these reasons that I would bet that the real effectiveness of N95 masks is around 50%, not 83%. Useful, but not something that lets you go back to normal life risk-free.

1. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7106e1.htm

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by archagon on Monday November 14, 2022 @07:47PM (#33603653)
I have been traveling a lot this past year (a dozen flights), vigilantly wearing an N95 mask while indoors, and I've yet to get sick. Meanwhile, my slightly less vigilant travel companion got Covid during one of our flights, possibly from removing her mask to take a drink of water. Was it luck? Maybe to some extent, but I'm much more confident in the effectiveness of a well-sealed N95 than I was a year ago, that's for sure.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by chroma on Monday November 14, 2022 @08:17PM (#33603969)
I've noticed no pattern with me or my friends. I haven't gotten covid despite spending days unmasked, indoors, with people who were infectious. Some of my friends have gotten ridiculously unlucky, getting covid and taking weeks to recover despite being young, healthy, boosted, and wearing N95s everywhere. Of course general rules apply: A mask is better than nothing. Vaccines reduce the risk and severity of infection. But these interventions aren't as effective as originally claimed, and the variance in outcomes is massive. You can't just put on an N95, live life normally, and expect to avoid this disease.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by enragedcacti on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:37PM (#33599712)
Not the OP but:

Covid definitely isn't over, it's just that we've gotten better at treating it and people have decided that they are over it. It is still killing almost 2000 people a week in the US and it's very possible that we will see a huge spike in that as we get further into winter.

the "next" booster is referring to the updated vaccine that more effectively targets the dominant "Omicron" variant.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by sharken on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:41PM (#33599767)
At least provide some facts to the 2000 people a week claim.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by greenyoda on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:47PM (#33599864)
The CDC is reporting 2344 COVID deaths per week: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by origin_path on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:17PM (#33601223)
Be aware that since Omicron virtually all of those are dying "with" COVID, not of it. Examples collected from the Milwaukee coroner's office:

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/six-recent-covid-deaths-...

That's why the age skew is so high.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by Avshalom on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:48PM (#33599883)
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_weeklydeath...

The last time it was under 2000 was july '21

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by cmh89 on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:50PM (#33599913)
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by MaysonL on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:53PM (#33599961)
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by no_butterscotch on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:47PM (#33599856)
> the "next" booster is referring to the updated vaccine that more effectively targets the dominant "Omicron" variant.

Ah thanks for the context.

I've only gotten the J&J vax (the worst one?) back in April of 2021, no boosters. I considered getting one but by then they were recommending boosters every few months and I decided to just "risk" it by not getting them? (I'm in my 30s and in good shape/health so don't feel vulnerable, but I understand that could be hubris and back-fire).

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by Izkata on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:42PM (#33600722)
> I've only gotten the J&J vax (the worst one?)

Back in those first few months I was keeping an eye on reports of side-effects, and J&J actually looked like the safest of the 4 available in the US. But it and AstraZeneca got absolutely vilified while any claims against Pfizer and Moderna got ignored as crazy conspiracies.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by SoftTalker on Monday November 14, 2022 @05:09PM (#33601974)
I've also only got the J&J, once, only because my employer was threatening me with termination if I didn't get vaccinated. They actually never followed through on that threat for those that held out. I wish I hadn't. Lesson learned, never again.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by jessaustin on Monday November 14, 2022 @06:36PM (#33602999)
Pfizer and Moderna have better PR departments.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by mikysco on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:05PM (#33600159)
Always worth pointing out COVID (very) disproportionately kills the elderly (75+)

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsoverti...

These stats don't indicate whether other confounding factors led to an individual's death.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by gizmo686 on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:06PM (#33600182)
Or maybe no one you know is talking about it. A few weeks ago, I went for my annual Flu vaccine and saw that I was eligible for the bivalent Covid booster as well. I didn’t go around telling people I got either vaccine. At this point, as far as I am concerned, covid is jtst another vaccine to be taken routinely as directed. Maybe that will settle down to be anually like the flu, once or twice a lifetime like chicken pox, or something in between like TDAP (once per decade)
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by dham on Monday November 14, 2022 @09:21PM (#33604462)
But TDAP only needs to be taken once every 20 to 30 years. :facepalm: Just another outdated Americanized vaccine schedule to add to the list.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by jsight on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:08PM (#33601082)
TBH, I tend to agree. Vaccines are readily available and most of us have been exposed to COVID at some point. By this point, there is little reason for behavior modification.

The boosters likely make sense for some people, but there's little real data on their effectiveness. Outside of the more vulnerable, I'd avoid them personally. The proof just isn't readily available of continuous boosters being worth it to me.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by jsight on Monday November 14, 2022 @06:52PM (#33603170)
I'd love it if the downvoters could point me to effectiveness data on the new targeted booster.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by robomartin on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:10PM (#33601130)
> Where do you live and what are the circumstances like there that you're considering getting your "next" one? (you've been boosted before?).

Los Angeles.

I know lots of vaccinated people who are getting infected. Just last week I went to a conference here in LA. I was going to meet-up this week with on of the people I saw there. He told me he got COVID at the conference.

Yes, I've had one booster. I travel a lot for business. I think it might be prudent to take further precautions. I have no reason to believe this is unsafe for me.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by gravelc on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:31PM (#33601451)
Circumstances change - super super glad I got my booster.

When I got it, I was a healthy, fit person without any of the comorbidities that go along with COVID.

Last week I had a mountain biking accident and broke half my ribs and punctured a lung. Then I got COVID in hospital. Fortunately it was quite mild, and even that was a bit of a nightmare as coughing was hell and I had quite low blood oxygen.

Given the risks of a booster are so low (though non-zero) and the risk that your health can change before you manage to contract COVID, it seems like the smart proposition to me to get the booster.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by xboxnolifes on Monday November 14, 2022 @05:12PM (#33602010)
My world is split.

In my family sphere, covid is over. Though, to them covid was always overblown with the response being worse than the illness.

In my main friend group, most still feel we are still in the middle of covid. Though, from my perspective, their words/fears seem to differ from their actions.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by ipqk on Monday November 14, 2022 @05:26PM (#33602196)
People aren't talking about it anymore, but that doesn't mean that they aren't getting boosters. Like, I just got my flu shot, but haven't mentioned it to anyone.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by asveikau on Monday November 14, 2022 @06:17PM (#33602796)
> Nobody I know is getting boosters or is worried about it anymore

Your San Francisco social circles are different from mine. Most people I talk to about this got the bivalent booster and got the old booster last year.

But people do not seem super worried at this phase. The booster is something routine like a flu shot.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by exodust on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @08:55AM (#33609184)
Last I checked only about 50% of people ever get the flu shot routinely. And isn't the idea of flu shot that it prevents symptomatic infection? The whole reason why people get the flu shot is they don't want to get the flu. Covid vaccine doesn't stop symptoms the same way.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by asveikau on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @03:58PM (#33614926)
> And isn't the idea of flu shot that it prevents symptomatic infection?

I don't recall it ever being sold to me as that, and though I regularly get them, I've never gotten a flu shot with that expectation. It reduces your odds and makes the thing more mild. That's the point. That's what I've been told my whole life. They're not magic solutions to everything in your life, they can't even be 100% sure about how to tweak them for the dominant strains that season, but they help.

This stuff makes people go a little crazy with unreasonable expectations. I remember people complaining in pre-pandemic years ... "the flu shot is only x% effective so why bother?" And the reason has always been that x > 0, any two-digit number for x is pretty worth it, even if it intuitively sounds small. It's pretty similar for COVID.