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Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by arein3 on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:16PM (#33598392)
Is this a bait post?

I understant that people might rationalize that the misfortune that happened to them is a random occurence, and they did the right thing, but man...

Your kid is young, he didn't need the experimental vaccine at all.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by sfusato on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:21PM (#33598490)
There's plenty of would-do-it-again testimonials from the bed of a hospital caused by a vaccine injury. There's a famous Mark Twain quote that comes to mind.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by arein3 on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:34PM (#33598690)
A theory proposed by Charles Darwin comes to mind.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by lob_it on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:41PM (#33599773)
Was that "empathy equals manufactured crisis cubed"?

Science is hard :p

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by floor2 on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:52PM (#33599940)
Making the statistically best choice is still the best choice even if you get an undesired outcome.

Good poker players can lose all their chips at the table to an unlucky draw and walk away knowing that they made the right play and that they'd do it again, even if they got unlucky on the river card. Good basketball coaches will still draw up plays to get the ball into the hands of their best shooter at the end of the game even if they miss sometimes.

If you're choosing between option A that has a 0.0001% chance of hurting you and option B that has a 10% chance of hurting you, and you choose A and still get hurt, that doesn't mean you made the wrong choice or that if you have it to do over again you should choose B.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by ifyoubuildit on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:24PM (#33600454)
Except the issue is how certain we are of these percentages. In poker, the win rate of AA against 72 heads up is well known.

In reality, we don't have that. We get whatever ideas have the largest marketing budget behind them, and we just have to trust them. It's more like "nobody gets fired for buying IBM (or pick your favorite pundit)" than running a poker scenario through a solver. And that's fine, I don't think you can expect much more than that out of people.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by arein3 on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:04PM (#33600151)
Bad analogy. The covid vaccines are the worst I know of and for a lot of people covid doesnt present a big risk.

The stupidity of requiring people that already have antibodies to vaccinate, or even to require people to vaccinate. If you are worried, vaccinate and that's it, you are protected, don't impose others to do it. Especially a novel experimental vaccine that changes your genetic code.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by selectodude on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:52PM (#33598971)
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by nmilo on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:20PM (#33599428)
> Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by vixen99 on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:40PM (#33599763)
An Israeli study reported here: https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/07/08/no-increase-myocarditi... [‘The Incidence of Myocarditis and Pericarditis in Post COVID-19 Unvaccinated Patients—A Large Population-Based Study’.] finds “no increase in incidence of myocarditis” after Covid infection in unvaccinated adults.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by ckw on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:55PM (#33600000)
And the peak age/sex related risk is almost certainly understated in the paper, because ‘younger men’ refers to the entire under 40 population.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by busymom0 on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:31PM (#33599602)
1. Risk of Myocarditis is higher for males under 40 from the vax than from infection. Only if you look at the entire population and dilute that risk do you see risk being higher from infection.

2. The vax doesn’t prevent infection anyway, so whatever the point they are making is moot.

3. The risk is being compounded each time- first from vax, then from infection, then from boosters.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by TechBro8615 on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:36PM (#33599696)
Btw, this was all known with increasing confidence by July '21 (Israeli data showed increased myocarditis risk after second shot), and December '21 (Nature paper stratified myocarditis risk by vaccination status and age).
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Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by arein3 on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:19PM (#33599403)
Doubling down on a choice that proved to be bad for them.

I don't understand why anyone would do that, perhaps only because they understood that it was a mistake and they want others to make the same mistake.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by AmVess on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:01PM (#33599115)
Boggles my mind that parents are willingly exposing their kids to something they absolutely do not need.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by arein3 on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:09PM (#33599220)
The kid might even have had natural antibodies, since when the vaccines were approved for kids a very big percent of them already had covid.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by nomel on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:30PM (#33599595)
With the media black out of anything anti-pro-vaccine, it’s not surprising that natural immunity provides better protection isn’t more well known: https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-on...
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by coinbasetwwa on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:43PM (#33599804)
I like the term “anti-pro-vaccine”, the media would simply refer to it as “anti-vax”
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by floor2 on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:55PM (#33600013)
This argument has never made any sense. It's literal survivorship bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivorship_bias

You're saying "If you survive getting covid without serious injuries once, then you'll be less likely to get serious injuries on a re-infection later". The vaccine is to make it less likely that you get serious injuries from that first exposure.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by ifyoubuildit on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:41PM (#33600704)
Are there any people left that haven't had their first exposure?

The argument makes more sense when you take into account that the interesting case is actually "given that you've already had covid, should you get vaccinated?" rather than "given no exposures yet, should I make out with someone that has it or should I get vaccinated". I've seen a lot of noise about the latter case, and a lot of overlooking the former.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by nomel on Monday November 14, 2022 @05:10PM (#33601986)
Please read the context of what you're responding to. This context isn't about survivorship bias.

COVID was around before the vaccines, and before the boosters, and between the boosters. Some of us got it before the boosters were available, and before the next booster was due. This is the context you're responding to.

For a stupid real world example, my college friend had COVID was required to get the booster while he was recovering from COVID, so that he could continue school after. There's plenty of nonsense still going around. Natural infection usually doesn't count in the school system, from what I've seen. Surprisingly it does, where I work.

Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by treeman79 on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:08PM (#33599206)
Schools required it. No exemptions.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by GenerocUsername on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:24PM (#33599491)
Then the school should pay for the known side effects
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by thepasswordis on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:29PM (#33599565)
No amount of money can replace my child.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by GenerocUsername on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:48PM (#33599879)
Then schools should not be mandating experimental therapies
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by thepasswordis on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:32PM (#33600575)
You'll find no argument about that from me.
Re:Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible... by TurkishPoptart on Monday November 14, 2022 @02:47PM (#33599853)
Malice or stupidity? Collusion or conspiracy? I think it's all of the above.