Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees
by mr_gibbins on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:52AM
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This is not strictly true. I examined a master's degree thesis last semester where the student proved conclusively that Alexa devices are periodically spamming bursts of data back to Amazon HQ even when not woken. Beyond a heartbeat, too - MBs of data, not KBs.
No clear idea what that data is, though. There's at least a small chance it isn't benign.
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees
by djbusby on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:01PM
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So, mitmproxy that traffic and see what it is?
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees
by mr_gibbins on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:11PM
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Scope of his work didn't go that far, he looked at several devices and Alexa was notably chatty. He was measuring for abnormal data bursts from IoT home devices - included things like smart bulbs etc.
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees
by ahepp on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:01PM
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isn't the point of SSL that you can't do that (assuming the client is verifying certs, etc)?
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees
by jefftk on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:05PM
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link?
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees
by mr_gibbins on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:10PM
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Unpublished. It's still going through board approval.
As/when it's put on my institution's open repository I'll post a link. Might be a few weeks though.
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees
by registeredcorn on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:32PM
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Interested to hear more, once it's through! :)
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees
by rightbyte on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:56PM
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Be sure to put as a submit :)
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees
by fh973 on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:58AM
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Amazon is surely aware of the aftermath of Google's accidental Wireless network war-driving.
While absence is hard to prove, an intentional or unintentional data collection beyond what is stated in their policies is highly unlikely.
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees
by dehrmann on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:21PM
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I also don't think any insiders at any of these companies have leaked that they passively listen to what people say.
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees
by rglullis on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:54AM
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Do sample recordings, reduce bitrate (you can have good voice recording and playback at less than 3kb/sec) and upload only if the device detects something worthy of notification.
Hell, don't even send the sound, just send a weekly report of events.
The devices listen for their wake word before ever transmitting data to the cloud. (This is also because the sheer amount of bandwidth needed for always-on would be un-economical even for Amazon).