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Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees by mabbo on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:49AM (#33596889)
No security researcher has ever found proof that they are "always on" and recording everything people say. If they were, it would be front-page news and Amazon would have government investigations.

The devices listen for their wake word before ever transmitting data to the cloud. (This is also because the sheer amount of bandwidth needed for always-on would be un-economical even for Amazon).

Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees by mr_gibbins on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:52AM (#33596973)
This is not strictly true. I examined a master's degree thesis last semester where the student proved conclusively that Alexa devices are periodically spamming bursts of data back to Amazon HQ even when not woken. Beyond a heartbeat, too - MBs of data, not KBs.

No clear idea what that data is, though. There's at least a small chance it isn't benign.

Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees by djbusby on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:01PM (#33597140)
So, mitmproxy that traffic and see what it is?
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees by mr_gibbins on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:11PM (#33597294)
Scope of his work didn't go that far, he looked at several devices and Alexa was notably chatty. He was measuring for abnormal data bursts from IoT home devices - included things like smart bulbs etc.
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees by ahepp on Monday November 14, 2022 @01:01PM (#33598132)
isn't the point of SSL that you can't do that (assuming the client is verifying certs, etc)?
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees by jefftk on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:05PM (#33597181)
link?
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees by mr_gibbins on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:10PM (#33597277)
Unpublished. It's still going through board approval.

As/when it's put on my institution's open repository I'll post a link. Might be a few weeks though.

Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees by registeredcorn on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:32PM (#33597666)
Interested to hear more, once it's through! :)
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees by rightbyte on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:56PM (#33598055)
Be sure to put as a submit :)
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees by fh973 on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:58AM (#33597094)
Amazon is surely aware of the aftermath of Google's accidental Wireless network war-driving.

While absence is hard to prove, an intentional or unintentional data collection beyond what is stated in their policies is highly unlikely.

Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees by dehrmann on Monday November 14, 2022 @12:21PM (#33597461)
I also don't think any insiders at any of these companies have leaked that they passively listen to what people say.
Re:Amazon Is Said to Plan to Lay Off Thousands of Employees by rglullis on Monday November 14, 2022 @11:54AM (#33597007)
Do sample recordings, reduce bitrate (you can have good voice recording and playback at less than 3kb/sec) and upload only if the device detects something worthy of notification.

Hell, don't even send the sound, just send a weekly report of events.