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Re:Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocate... by robin_reala on Monday November 14, 2022 @08:46AM (#33593791)
I guess you don’t have any junior engineers?
Re:Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocate... by BjoernKW on Monday November 14, 2022 @09:28AM (#33594350)
This question seems to imply that junior engineers require lots of synchronous, in-person meetings and handholding.

Is there any proof that's truly the case? Or isn't that yet another one of those commonly accepted, yet rarely questioned truisms when it comes to - an often dysfunctional - work culture?

Re:Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocate... by RestlessMind on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:54PM (#33600865)
> Is there any proof that's truly the case?

Not the OP but the proof is my own experience in both in-office and remote settings. And everyone is going to go by their own life experiences. If enough people think that remote setting sucks and that junior engineers, along with many other roles, are more effective in person, then the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that that's not the case.

Re:Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocate... by BjoernKW on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:41PM (#33601587)
Well, there are entirely distributed, remote-first companies like Automattic, Zapier, GitLab, or Basecamp. I'm certain each of those also employs junior engineers.

Therefore, someone claiming it doesn't work, is effectively saying it doesn't work for their company, which in turn gives rise to questions as to why that's the case:

Is their company and its work truly that unique and special that it can only effectively be done synchronously and in person?

Or is it rather that the company in question itself has an underlying organizational problem?

Re:Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocate... by RestlessMind on Wednesday November 16, 2022 @01:20AM (#33619565)
> Well, there are entirely distributed, remote-first companies like Automattic, Zapier, GitLab, or Basecamp. I'm certain each of those also employs junior engineers.

Yes. My company is also in that category. We employ a lot of junior engineers too. >90% of them say they want some in-person interaction because it is hard to ramp up effectively on a complex codebase and a different culture.

> Therefore, someone claiming it doesn't work, is effectively saying it doesn't work for their company, which in turn gives rise to questions as to why that's the case

Because we are all humans and in absence of an in-person presence, we are not able to form trusting deep relationships.

> Is their company and its work truly that unique and special that it can only effectively be done synchronously and in person?

Re:Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocate... by pas on Monday November 14, 2022 @09:52PM (#33604649)
countless remote teams have faced this problem. it's a trade-off, of course, but it's not an insurmountable challenge.

for example we are using gather.town. much better than Google Meet (full HD screen sharing, ad-hoc breakout sessions, blablabla, free under team size of 25, if I remember correctly)

Re:Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocate... by robin_reala on Tuesday November 15, 2022 @08:48AM (#33609092)
No problem being remote with juniors, bigger problem being remote and greater than 3 time zones away from your juniors.