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Re:Just how complicated could it be to register a German com... by hef19898 on Monday November 14, 2022 @03:48AM (#33591582)
I can confirm all of the above, except the international founder thing, kind of. I went through the GmbH thing as a solo founder, which went from lawyer (not really necessary, you can use standard incorporation legalese), notary, bank to a steuerberater. All that took all of 2 weeks, getting a VAT number took the longest with a month or so if memory serves well.

I had a UG, still do so, with a partner (non-German citizen but a German resident) that started out as a JV for the above mentioned GmbH and ended up with me as the 50% shareholder after the GmbH was closed down. That went even faster than the GmbH, again getting a VAT number took the most time (tax authorities in my city are so bad that most companies just move 2 km into another community over it).

I said it before, and I say it again, GmbH set up (or incorporation in general) is something almost every single mom-and-pop retail store and every single contractor shop with more than two people goes through. How smart can start-up founders be if they almost fail at something all those lowely (sarcasm, I have the utmost respect for those traditional and small scale entrepreneurs and blue collar companies) do with a singoe complaint?

Maybe, if the basic legal things about incorporation go above your head, choose a different jurisdiction or, well, maybe flubding and running a company just isn't for you...

EDIT: Why do people insist on the 25k captial? Half of that is ok, founders are on the hook for the reminder. Also, we talk about start-ups, potentially raising millions of VC money. Why can't those founders be bothered with coming up with 25 thousand? Unless, of course, people aren't actually serious about running a business, aka the real "life style businesses", as opposed to those run by people who actually have to earn their living with a company.

Also, the stab, or whatever it was, at the German subreddit over his entitled English requirement (try that in the UK or the US with a non-English language) is just pathetic. And honestly, no amount of language mastery enables you to read and understand legal documents, regardless of the language, without a legal background in the particular domain. But hey, if notaries are outdated maybe we don't lawyers neither as long as we have a native language speaker?

Re:Just how complicated could it be to register a German com... by thomascarney on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:42AM (#33591880)
I think a broader question for the EU is whether ever greater integration is possible without some standardization around a common "admin" language.

Having lived in several EU countries, I love learning new languages, but it does make day-to-day life much harder, not to mention more complex topics such as starting companies.

It's conceivable that Germany could introduce English an official second language (having multiple official languages is common in the EU), even if just for certain sections of legal life.

At the end of the day, EU citizens have fairly robust rights to live and work in other EU countries, so it's not a privilege. Providing ways for those people to integrate better into the legal systems would be beneficial to creating a more unified Europe.

Re:Just how complicated could it be to register a German com... by hef19898 on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:45AM (#33591908)
There are a couple of official government languages in thr Ru. And for doing business within a certain country, local official languages apply. For international contracts, parties can simple agree on a different jurisdiction, in which case those jurisdictions languaged apply. But maybe all non-English speaking should just feel sorry for bothering the English speaking world with foreign languages.

For the EU so, the only English speaking country left is Ireland.

Re:Just how complicated could it be to register a German com... by thomascarney on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:53AM (#33591954)
Ireland's first language is Irish, not English. Ireland has done pretty well embracing English as its operating language.