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Re:Why are male testosterone levels falling? by paulryanrogers on Sunday November 13, 2022 @11:36AM (#33584644)
> if we allow women to abort children due to any reason, even financial ones or "i just don't want a kid now", paper abortions for men should be a thing too (sign a paper, give up all rights and obligation to/from the kid).

In some states this is legal, so long as there is someone else willing to step up and provide for the child. Consider that the child cannot provide for itself, and the father has equal obligation to do so. If he didn't intend to produce a child then he should have taken reasonable measures. Women technically have a final say because they take on more risk and physical labor to carry the child to term.

Re:Why are male testosterone levels falling? by ajsnigrutin on Sunday November 13, 2022 @01:53PM (#33586124)
> If he didn't intend to produce a child then he should have taken reasonable measures.

Like what? A condom? That applies to women too, if they don't intend to have kids, use a condom (rape excluded). But we give them ther ways out too. If the condom pops, the next step would be a day after pill. That applies to women, men get no say in that. Abortion? Same. What reasonable measures does a man have after a bad condom?

Re:Why are male testosterone levels falling? by paulryanrogers on Sunday November 13, 2022 @03:19PM (#33586905)
Men don't get a say in abortion or pills because they don't have to carry the child inside their bodies.

Once the child is born their legal obligations are similar. Both are subject to child support if they want 'out', unless they agree to put the child up for adoption.

Arguably this means men need to plan ahead more or take additional precautions. I don't think that's unreasonable considering men will never have to pay the physical price of childbearing.

Re:Why are male testosterone levels falling? by ajsnigrutin on Sunday November 13, 2022 @05:02PM (#33587839)
A woman doesn't even have to tell a man she's pregnant, and can give the baby away without the father even knowing (eg. if it's a one night stand).

Noone can plan for a popped condom, and pregnancy comes when aditional precautions fail, and they fail for both people involved, not just for men... but we then give only one of them an option to get rid of 20+ years of responsibilities.

Re:Why are male testosterone levels falling? by Volrath89 on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:17AM (#33591747)
> If the condom pops, the next step would be a day after pill. That applies to women, men get no say in that.

What I do (thankfully it has happened only a couple of times) is to buy the pill together with the woman at the next day and be present when she takes it. Trust, but verify.

Re:Why are male testosterone levels falling? by ajsnigrutin on Monday November 14, 2022 @04:44AM (#33591894)
Sure, if you don't want a kid, but she doesn't want to take a pill, you're still stuck with 20+ years of child support.