News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Why Are U.S. Transit Projects So Costly? This Group Is on... by UniverseHacker on Friday November 11, 2022 @02:58PM (#33565995)
Brightline is basically a conventional (slow) train, whereas the CA project goes 2-3x as fast... totally different design constraints. Amtrak in California is already as fast as the Brightline.
Re:Why Are U.S. Transit Projects So Costly? This Group Is on... by willyt on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:22PM (#33566280)
Paris-Bordeaux was €15m per mile for electrified 200mph capable line. $20m / mile doesn't sound amazing for a non electrified line that operates at 79mph now and might have sections that operate at 125mph in the future.
Re:Why Are U.S. Transit Projects So Costly? This Group Is on... by eigen on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:52PM (#33566651)
> Paris-Bordeaux was €15m per mile for electrified 200mph capable line.

is that the LGV Sud Europe Atlantique between Tours and Bordeaux that opened in 2017? looks like thats €9B for 188 miles new track or €47M per mile.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGV_Sud_Europe_Atlantique

> The consortium invested €3.8 billion, French government, local authorities and the European Union paid €3 billion and €1 billion was contributed by SNCF Réseau (subsidiary of SNCF). Another €1.2 billion was spent by SNCF Réseau on the construction of interconnecting lines, control centres, capacity enhancements at Bordeaux and remodelling the track layout at Gare Montparnasse.

Re:Why Are U.S. Transit Projects So Costly? This Group Is on... by bombcar on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:00PM (#33566013)
Brightline goes exceptionally faster than the CA line, right now.
Re:Why Are U.S. Transit Projects So Costly? This Group Is on... by Rebelgecko on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:40PM (#33566510)
Is the current speed differential just because of the rock slides?
Re:Why Are U.S. Transit Projects So Costly? This Group Is on... by bombcar on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:53PM (#33566675)
No, it's because Brightline exists and CA HSR doesn't, yet. So the speed is 125 mph to zero.
Re:Why Are U.S. Transit Projects So Costly? This Group Is on... by UniverseHacker on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:04PM (#33566066)
Right now it looks like the current top speed of Brightline is the same as most Amtrak lines in California (79mph). Brightline claims in the future it will have speeds up to 125mph. Conventional Amtrak trains already can go 110mph on sections of high quality track, and do in some places in the USA.
Re:Why Are U.S. Transit Projects So Costly? This Group Is on... by bombcar on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:08PM (#33566121)
True, but the only place Amtrak gets close to that I know of in California is through Camp Pendleton, and there it maxes out at 90.

A "bright line" style upgrade to the SAN-LAX route would have been entirely worth it, and they're struggling along with it, but at pennies compared to what has been spent on HSR so far.