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Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by adastra22 on Friday November 11, 2022 @02:50PM (#33565857)
And that is arguably the simplest explanation of what bitcoin is: digital cash.
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by wardedVibe on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:07PM (#33566105)
That's monero. Because it's deflationary and has a completely open record of transactions, Bitcoin is digital gold.
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by adastra22 on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:11PM (#33566156)
I was talking about bitcoin as a reference class for digital currencies, as opposed to Apple Cash balances or whatever.
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by sgt101 on Friday November 11, 2022 @04:51PM (#33567358)
Hang on, when did gold come with a transaction record?
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by wardedVibe on Friday November 11, 2022 @09:45PM (#33569460)
If you're buying gold these days, typically it just sits in fort Knox or wherever, and you're buying a record of ownership.
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by lazide on Saturday November 12, 2022 @09:49AM (#33573568)
There is a very, very long history of that being a bad idea. There are some situations (commodity exchanges) it’s necessary, but they are heavily regulated and audited for that reason. They also have non trivial storage costs.

Gold depositories have the same issues as crypto exchanges have typically had - it’s almost inevitable that someone absconds with the actual gold without telling anyone, or ‘prints’ extra without backing assets, etc. and until someone does an audit or everyone tries to withdraw their gold/tokens/whatever, no one knows.

It also enables a lot of other scams.

[https://www.cftc.gov/LearnAndProtect/AdvisoriesAndArticles/f...]

For anyone reading, educate yourself so you don’t get defrauded.

Not all depositories are a bad idea in all situations - but be cautious.

(Also, historical footnote - the last credible audit of the gold at Fort Knox was in 1974, hah - https://www.usmint.gov/learn/history/historical-documents/in...)

Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by brk on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:04PM (#33566071)
Which by definition is fundamentally impossible to do transfers without a middle man of some kind.
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by stripedfish7 on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:07PM (#33566112)
Can you elaborate? When I give a cash payment to the babysitter, who is the middleman?
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by brk on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:23PM (#33566306)
Sorry I meant that comment in the sense of bitcoin not cash.
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by codehalo on Friday November 11, 2022 @05:18PM (#33567639)
Who is the middleman in a bitcoin to bitcoin transaction?
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by lazide on Saturday November 12, 2022 @09:58AM (#33573654)
Whoever includes the transaction in the blockchain (the miner).
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by adastra22 on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:07PM (#33566104)
Bitcoin has no middleman.
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by brk on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:23PM (#33566293)
How you can transfer bitcoin between exactly two people with zero outside involvement from other entities? I suppose you might be able to have a bunch of pre-filled wallets of various amounts that you can transfer via thumb drive, but in a practical sense your transaction is going over various networks and through other machines.
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by lazide on Saturday November 12, 2022 @10:01AM (#33573676)
In order for a balance to be transferred on the chain, it MUST be included in a mined block (the longest chain one/aka the primary blockchain).

So there is always a middleman, unless you’re on your own chain. But it’s distributed, no one can reliably pick who is going to be the miner (or always be the miner) because of the POW algorithm, and everyone can trust the outcome because of the way everything is structured. There are very strong incentives for everyone to try to mine, for instance, and the more mining power there is, the more difficult it is for anyone to have a controlling interest or monopoly on mining, barring special economies of scale in mining hardware, anyway. (Which do exist, but not enough to make it doable to get a monopoly right now)

Worst case, the miners can ignore your particular transaction indefinitely, but the counterparty can see that too, and it would require active collusion from a very large percentage of miners to even attempt that.

Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by lazide on Saturday November 12, 2022 @03:11PM (#33576555)
I thought of a random analogy here - the block chain miners are the equivalent of a common carrier parcel service here (albeit with far stronger guarantees against tampering).

So it’s not a middleman like a bank or a payment processor. Rather a bulk processor who moves a bunch of opaque chunks somewhere for money without any particular regard for who or what as long as they get paid for it.

Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by salawat on Friday November 11, 2022 @03:09PM (#33566132)
Cash doesn't announce your balance to the world...
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by codehalo on Friday November 11, 2022 @05:20PM (#33567658)
Transaction broadcast is not the problem. Censorship is. However, if you want privacy, use Monero.
Re:FTX to file for U.S. bankruptcy, CEO resigns by lazide on Friday November 11, 2022 @05:48PM (#33567898)
It’s a problem if you don’t want to have to worry about some third party deciding post-facto to come after you for the transaction!

And since it’s global, that third party could even be some foreign gov’t or entrepreneurial individual.