There is value in art done honestly, "bad" or not. And neither autotune nor melodyne have intrinsic characteristics that affect either honesty (unless you extend that to all forms of audio engineering that changes the voice) nor quality.

Put frankly: your take is a small one. It's one that weakens the idea of art, and, no less importantly, is cruel and sabotaging to people. You should change your mind, but you're kind of glorifying in that cruelty and that smallness throughout this thread (which is gross!) so I will not be holding my breath for it.

Doesn't have to have 'instrictic characteristics'. Just tendency and majority of real-life application being shitty is enough.

Except if you thought that when complaining about autotune being bad, we were talking about some rare band that uses it as a creative tool, and not about the millions that use it as a clutch or for the 1000000th recreation of the same BS sound...

Let people like what they like. Let people want what they want.

> There is value in art done honestly, "bad" or not

If I think it's "bad" then it has _zero_ value to _me_. Why does this bother you or anyone else?

Even more so, if I think it's "bad" I might also consider it detrimental to the music world, and even to society at large. Music is not just an isolated consumption, it's also a social force.

And people can still be able to differentiate between stuff they merely don't like (taste) and stuff they consider detrimental to music in a larger way. In fact they might even like the latter and still consider them detrimental (e.g. I find some commercial pop tunes catchy, but consider them a bad musical and societal influence).