Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people
by lovich on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @12:18PM
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Europe is far worse? The New Deal was far worse? We’ve decided to go down the cyberpunk corporate hellscape path since the 80s and post 2001 it’s just been consistently degrading workers lives. I think most millennials and gen z would trade their financial outlook for their parents so I really can’t accept this “far worse” description
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None of that was socialism. It’s welfare capitalism which the entire west today has in one variant or another. Saying we should tune up regulations and/or the safety net is an entirely reasonable thing we could have a discussion about. Talking about socialism is ignorant or foolish.
They’re all socialist policies, no country is purely capitalistic or purely socialistic. To be clear when I said “leads people towards socialism” I meant pushes them in a direction that advocates for more socialist policies like increasing the safety net
Re:Meta lays off 11,000 people
by snovv_crash on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @01:16PM
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DDR was 'real' socialist.
In no way. The DDR was a communist cesspit of a proxy state for the USSR from day one.
It was not socialist. It just called itself that.
Communism is a subset of socialism. Welfare capitalism isn’t.
Communism isn’t a subset of socialism unless you’re using the American conservative definition where they all just equate to evil
On the contrary that’s what actual communists believed.
There’s a Baptists and bootleggers coalition to pervert the meaning of socialism. Right wingers want to call everything to the left of Ronald Reagan socialism so they can paint it all as evil and a subset of people that are fairly bog standard welfare capitalists want to call themselves socialists because they think it sounds edgy and cool.
They are both wrong. Socialism involves collectivizing the means of production. Not a wealth tax. Not a greenhouse emissions rule. Not forcing companies to put women on their board. Not repealing at will employment. Collectivizing the means of production.
If you want to call for nationalizing Facebook then you are a socialist (and a fool.)