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Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by geodel on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @05:51AM (#33529712)
No, I just read news, interviews and observe public behavior of these employees on various political, social, economic and technical issues to have an informed opinion on them.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by wiseowise on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @05:56AM (#33529735)
There are hundred thousand of FAANG engineers, how many of them do you know personally and not some talking head from Twitter?
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by arcticbull on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @06:10AM (#33529833)
I don't think it would be at all 'humiliating' but I do think it's the wrong trade-off for FAANG employees and for the companies.

Consider that FAANG employees are already the top less than 1% of the industry. Even in a down-market they can wander down the street and end up with a job with comparable pay and probably better conditions in a week - and a signing bonus to boot.

If a FAANG reduced their compensation broadly, all the employees would be at an opportunity cost disadvantage vs just finding a new gig. The company would be at a disadvantage relative to its peers in its ability to retain/replace the talent they need to get through this period. Worst of all for the individual, it resets the market rate for top engineering talent.

So the choices are:

(1) You take 5-10% of engineers, give them a few months beach time while they brush up on the leetcode so they can land the same job for the same pay at a company a few blocks away plus a signing bonus

(2) Everyone at your company takes a 5-10% pay cut and the best talent leaves anyways but now everyone gets paid less too.

Option (1) feels like the game theoretic optimal.

Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by naijaboiler on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @06:31AM (#33530056)
Its so funny reading the naivete and hubris of many here."Even in a down matket,FAANG layoffs can jusy wall down the street and fnd different job with comparable pay." How naive and optimistic. I truly hope we do not get to experience a down market, so many on here will have adjust their expectations to reality. There so much ignorance and naivete about economics I read on here. And yes even those that feel secure in their jobs currently, will eventually see a paycut in some ways.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by tapatio on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @10:03AM (#33532553)
This.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by arcticbull on Thursday November 10, 2022 @02:13AM (#33543237)
> ... so many on here will have adjust their expectations to reality.

Define reality. This has been my experience for the last 10 years, and frankly, it's been the experience of a number of folks I've seen laid off and fired from similarly situated companies in the last few months.

Could that change? For sure. I'm talking about the situation on the ground - today - from personal experience within the last few months. Why are we attempting to optimize today for a reality that does not exist right now? Let's cross that bridge and adapt when we see what it actually looks like.

> And yes even those that feel secure in their jobs currently...

Speak to some FAANG employees. I'm not sure any of them have ever felt secure in their jobs because these companies operate with very little fat and aggressively prune every 6-12 months.

> ...will eventually see a paycut in some ways.

In a hypothetical future, yes it could happen of course. Has it happened yet? No. It hasn't. Should we find ways to cut our own pay now in advance of a reality that may not materialize? Not in my opinion, no.

I thought part of the point of this place was to share what's happening in our industry right now in addition to doomer projections.

An average Netflix employee is responsible for $2.6M in revenue. $2.375M at Apple. $1.6M at FB and Google. $920K at Microsoft. [1] Now adjust that down to just the engineers. At NFLX, that's $6.5M in revenue per engineer. These companies would be nuts to hire anyone other than the best and to pay for it. They will see attrition and they'll need replacements - and they'll pay for them. If that changes, let's revisit.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/217489/revenue-per-emplo...

Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by geodel on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @06:27AM (#33529997)
In general I agree. I feel that macroeconomic conditions will affect efficacy of 1).
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by lzooz on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @06:02AM (#33529767)
Public reporting of tech and tech figures is anything but unbiased.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by georgeplusplus on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @06:07AM (#33529803)
Name something that is unbiased in media public reporting.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by lzooz on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @06:15AM (#33529866)
While I agree with you, reporting on tech is maliciously negative: https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1588190763413868553
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by Peritract on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @08:42AM (#33531439)
That's a very one-sided framing; even if we accept the assertion that tech is heavily-scrutinised, I think it would be at least equally reasonable to say that increased media scrutiny of the tech companies is happening because the tech industry itself is often maliciously negative.
Re:Mark Zuckerberg confirms broad layoffs to begin at Meta by misnome on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @06:46AM (#33530204)
> interviews and observe public behavior of these employees

Did you consider that this cohort might be self-selecting, leading to your "informed opinion" being somewhat biased against the average?