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Re:AI and the Future of Pixel Art by otabdeveloper4 on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @05:01AM (#33529379)
"AI" is only copy-pasting elements from a database of existing images. It's effectively just a fancy image search engine.

You can use it to make procedurally-generated art, but it's still obvious what the source material was.

Re:AI and the Future of Pixel Art by grumbel on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @05:23AM (#33529511)
Go to your favorite image search engine and try to replicate anything AI has generated. It's impossible. The results you get from image search are nowhere near as specific as what the AI produces. It's not even close. The only time image search can compete is when you are highly specific, e.g. "painting of the Mono Lisa", both AI and image search will produce very similar results. But for a generic prompt, image search will come up with nothing that gets even close to the query, while AI can produce a highly specific image.

DreamBooth really should have destroyed all doubt about this point point, as the AI can generated highly specific images of subjects that aren't even in the original training set.

Re:AI and the Future of Pixel Art by otabdeveloper4 on Thursday November 10, 2022 @06:02AM (#33544828)
> as the AI can generated highly specific images of subjects that aren't even in the original training set

I haven't seen any concrete examples of this yet.

Re:AI and the Future of Pixel Art by jw1224 on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @05:20AM (#33529493)
> "AI" is only copy-pasting elements from a database of existing images.

This is a common misunderstanding. Image AIs don’t copy/paste anything, or read from a database. Stable Diffusion is only 2GB. It’s little more than a huge array of numbers, which relate to different tokens.

Finding the “midpoint” between a set of tokens is latent space. What emerges is nothing short of miraculous, but it comes from random noise, not copy/pasting anything.

Re:AI and the Future of Pixel Art by sillysaurusx on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @05:14AM (#33529460)
This isn’t true, but it’s 4am, and I regret that I can’t type out a full rebuttal on my phone.

One obvious counterexample is stylegan interpolations. If you interpolate between two images, the midpoint is usually unique — it’s often not obvious what the source material was. (E.g. Gwern’s anime interpolations; sure, they’re anime faces, but from where? “All of danbooru” might as well be “all styles of anime ever created.”)

Maybe someone else can argue the point further.

Re:AI and the Future of Pixel Art by cthalupa on Wednesday November 09, 2022 @11:49AM (#33534271)
It's pretty impressive that Stable Diffusion can compress over 200TB of already previously compressed images from LAION 5B down to a few gigabytes! And that it can search that database so quickly to copy and paste things from the right images! /s

There's a lot of good discussion to be had around the ethics of AI art, training on copyrighted materials, etc. But it is equivocally not just copy pasting from a database of images.

Re:AI and the Future of Pixel Art by otabdeveloper4 on Thursday November 10, 2022 @06:03AM (#33544838)
Yes, neural network compression is, indeed, very impressive.

> But it is equivocally not just copy pasting from a database of images.

Just because you put a lossy compression step in the middle doesn't mean it's not copy-paste anymore.