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Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by InTheArena on Monday November 07, 2022 @02:22PM (#33510932)
This is one of the messages that need to be pushed hard - globalization - with it's implications on the "first world" global middle class - has helped make this possible.

It's like talking to people opposed to GMO rice. They are fine with an ideological position that GMO foods should be eliminated until you point out the alternative is hundreds of millions dead of starvation.

Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by ClumsyPilot on Monday November 07, 2022 @03:03PM (#33511559)
Why does globalisation automatically deserve credit for progress in two major economies with the most government planning?

Have evaluated alternative hypotheses? Maybe Education or Scientific Literacy or something else deserves this credit.

Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by anuvrat1 on Monday November 07, 2022 @03:19PM (#33511797)
It's quite easy to see, the early growth is hard carried by export of manufacturing from China and services from India. Yes, you can say, this wouldn't be possible without Chinese government infrastructure and incentives push and Indian government early push for premiere education, but that would have been useless without customers that are global markets.
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by cuteboy19 on Monday November 07, 2022 @09:04PM (#33515130)
The Indian attempt at Central planning was a disaster. We are here precisely because it was abolished

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licence_Raj

Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by jojobas on Monday November 07, 2022 @09:27PM (#33515260)
Because they essentially exported their poverty to the first world.
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by bergenty on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @12:18AM (#33516098)
Poverty in the first world isn’t real poverty.
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by jojobas on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @02:12AM (#33516666)
Some 3 million Australians and 10+ million in the US went hungry at least once over last year. You sure can be worse than that, but that's pretty bad already.
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by bergenty on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @03:33AM (#33517132)
If you want food you just go to a food kitchen. It’s not real.
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by MJsGlove on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @03:46AM (#33517228)
“Just stop being poor bro!”
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by ausudhz on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @08:54AM (#33518926)
If only they could work 45 hours a day and do 3 different jobs like any other billionaire we won't be talking about this.

They're just lazy

Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by bergenty on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @07:41PM (#33526208)
If you can crawl to the food bank they give you food, for free. Where do I imply “stop being poor”?
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by ausudhz on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @01:19AM (#33516407)
or probably the first world was stealing their assets (natural resources) while exporting disgrace (weapons, drugs)?

You should read a bit more so you'd know for example what the opium wars have done to China and what the colonialism has done to India (both perpetrated by the same first world country)

Historically India and China were always the wealthiest (up to the second industrial revolution) regions out there (as in the concept of India and China as we know now are post world war II)

What we are actually seeing today is a rebalancing of wealth that is pretty much needed so that in the US a person would need to have just 1 vacation instead of 3, while in India someone can put some food in their table and allow their kids to go to college.

Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by jojobas on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @02:16AM (#33516696)
Sure, let's justify a modern disaster by a past one.

First world's wealth of the 20th century had nothing to do with India's or China's misfortunes of yesteryear, European/US de-industrialization and poverty is 100% globalization-inflicted.

Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by ausudhz on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @05:46AM (#33517864)
So was the right thing to engage in wars in Asia and colonize 2/3 of the world?

You've no idea of what these actions have done long term for the countries. Those things are pretty relevant since India form example gained his independence around 70 years ago, not 4 century

And clearly you never read any history book

Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by saiya-jin on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @07:32AM (#33518353)
You are wrong in both your posts, colonialism literally raped every country and stole any wealth that was there to be stolen. Humans, animals, crops, minerals etc.

You should travel around a world a bit especially in affected countries/continents, clearly this enlightening activity evaded you.

Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @09:43AM (#33519474)
Lets not blame other countries for our fucksups, half the income of western families goes to housing and thats noone's fault but ours
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by kwere on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @08:08AM (#33518566)
these countries were always agrarian economies that had enourmous GDP numbers due to their sheer population numbers which supported a minuscule wealthy landed elite, nothing comparable to industrialised and service based economies.

Explotation was always limited, first due to tecnological limits, so it cant be used to describe systemic failure in decades spans. The culpript for stagnation is easily found in Centralization, mindless bureaucratization, socialism and commando economy idiocy both in Cina and India, and how things improved when approaches changed after decades of stagnation at best.

>in the US a person would need to have just 1 vacation instead of 3, while in India someone can put some food in their table and allow their kids to go to college

this is a view of economics which put the center of economic productivity in raw workhours and not organizations and capital. Not true in most cases, the competitivity of poor countries outside of manpower intensive Industries (es: garments, which moved out of china in 2018 due to labour cost) is low to no regulation on (bad) business practicies which increase shareholder values

Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by ausudhz on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @08:50AM (#33518888)
> these countries were always agrarian economies that had enourmous GDP numbers due to their sheer population numbers which supported a minuscule wealthy landed elite, nothing comparable to industrialised and service based economies.

Nothing different than a service based economy where a huge percentage of people live paycheck to paycheck and supports wealthy billionaires.

What are you trying to prove? Because what you say has not meaning and point whatsoever. We could even argue that certain technologies advantage were reached by China before the west and people like Marco Polo have made their fortune trading them (without going there and start wars for example). Does that make them a "agrarian economy"? They were doing trades with Europe and Asia before America was even discovered (and to that extent before Jesus was born). Unless you've any evidence of what you just said, you just made an empty argument.

> this is a view of economics which put the center of economic productivity in raw workhours

I never talked about this, you're playing a movie in your head and that is the output of your own imagination.

The point I was making is in contradiction to the previous post that mentions how globalism made the west poorer while enriching other countries.

The reason is that with the previous era (colonialist) the west lived above their mean because of the exploitation that was perpetrated elsewhere (Africa and Asia). Now that these countries have added values in their economy which resulted in uplifting their own citizen to a better living standard is creating some trouble in the west.

Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by koheripbal on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @02:15PM (#33523018)
Indian government planning??? Have you ever even been to India?
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by arein3 on Monday November 07, 2022 @04:34PM (#33512840)
It is like cars in a city in a way. You can build larger roads but then more people will start driving.
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by imtringued on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @02:41AM (#33516844)
The road is free, what did you expect?
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by imtringued on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @02:38AM (#33516826)
You mean hundreds of millions of chickens?

So far GMOs are practically irrelevant for feeding humans, assuming a vegan diet there is enough land to feed everyone to avoid starvation. If we assume a reasonable amount of meat consumption there is also enough land for that.

I don't know why GMO advocates throw the "but everyone will starve if you don't buy my proprietary products" slogan around as if that makes them look less manipulative. It is supposed to delude people and prevent them from thinking for themselves.

Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by kwere on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @08:12AM (#33518587)
Golden rice was specifically developed for human consuption in low productivity and famine prone areas
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by colinmhayes on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @11:47AM (#33521113)
People eat chicken... People wouldn't just become vegan without GMOs, they'd eat the same food and its price would go up. The US would stop exporting all its soy and asian pork farms would collapse. Without imported food asian countries would not be able to feed their populace.
Re:India lifted 415M out of poverty in 15 years, says UN by koheripbal on Tuesday November 08, 2022 @02:16PM (#33523037)
More than 50% of all major crop yields are using GMO plants.