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Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by Hermitian909 on Sunday November 06, 2022 @08:42PM (#33499973)
Stanford and other top institutions can't really be compared to other schools, students fees are not how these institutions make money. There are massive business arms tying in to fortune 500s, political think tanks, government institutions, etc. It's a whole different game for schools at this level.

To understand administrative bloat in the US it's much more instructive to look somewhere like University of Idaho where the business of charging students for services rendered is the main game in town. It's there you can see how administrative services have drastically ballooned costs for just the education.

Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by Animats on Sunday November 06, 2022 @09:27PM (#33500361)
Arguably, Stanford is a venture capital and real estate firm which operates a school on the side for the tax exemption. Back in the early 1990s, Stanford split off their endowment and land operations into a separate company, the Stanford Management Company. That worked out very well. They had startup money in Cisco, Yahoo, Google... Over time, the SMC tail came to wag the SU dog.
Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by musicale on Monday November 07, 2022 @04:05AM (#33503221)
> Arguably, Stanford is a venture capital and real estate firm which operates a school on the side for the tax exemption

You forgot about the massive hedge fund – and the professional sports teams.

Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by ohnonotyouagain on Sunday November 06, 2022 @08:58PM (#33500109)
Also, the top institutions also offer substantial need-based aid, so the top-line tuition number is really only applicable to households with income over ~$200-$250K. At Harvard a family with $150K income will pay $15K, see https://college.harvard.edu/guides/financial-aid-fact-sheet I think this is typical across the Ivies. That's basically in-state tuition at UMass https://www.umass.edu/admissions/undergraduate-admissions/co...
Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by Cupertino95014 on Sunday November 06, 2022 @09:36PM (#33500428)
Yes, but the foreign students pay full price, AFAIK.
Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by ohnonotyouagain on Sunday November 06, 2022 @09:40PM (#33500456)
Per Harvard's page linked above: "Foreign students have the same access to financial aid funding as U.S. citizens."
Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by Cupertino95014 on Monday November 07, 2022 @12:52AM (#33501695)
well, good thing I added the AFAIK. It's not as simple as I thought.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/the-short-lis...

https://www.collegexpress.com/interests/international-studen...

Tax-funded universities are less generous, though.

Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by throwaway2037 on Monday November 07, 2022 @02:11AM (#33502188)
Great find. You missed the best part: <<Families with incomes between $75,000 and $150,000 will contribute from 0-10% of their income...>>

That means for income <= 75K, Harvard tuition is free! That is impressive. Their system looks fair in comparison to other US universities. This system looks similar to progressive taxation (higher income pays more taxes).

For readers not familiar with US university system: This will not include "room & board" (housing & food).

Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by 2arrs2ells on Monday November 07, 2022 @03:34AM (#33502929)
For Harvard, that's not true – financial aid covers the cost of room and board.

(There is a student contribution of ~$3,000/year, which is fairly easily met through on campus jobs).

Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by throwaway2037 on Monday November 07, 2022 @07:15AM (#33504836)
Cripes! That is even better.
Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by thrown_22 on Sunday November 06, 2022 @11:19PM (#33501094)
> Stanford and other top institutions can't really be compared to other schools, students fees are not how these institutions make money. There are massive business arms tying in to fortune 500s, political think tanks, government institutions, etc. It's a whole different game for schools at this level.

Then they are welcome to stop charging students fees.

Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by musicale on Monday November 07, 2022 @04:10AM (#33503263)
> students fees are not how these institutions make money

"Student income" was 15% of Stanford's $7.4B budget (excluding capital improvement and hospitals) in 2021-22.

So... only $1.11 billion or so.

source: https://facts.stanford.edu/administration/finances/

Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by c7b on Monday November 07, 2022 @08:16AM (#33505381)
That doesn't rule out indirect influence, no? The likes of Stanford are what other universities aim for, so if the implicit message is 'If you want to play in that league, you need a massive administration and pretty facilities for them', then you shouldn't be surprised to see other universities, who don't necessarily have the same financial means, trying to mimic that.
Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by IG_Semmelweiss on Monday November 07, 2022 @08:32AM (#33505567)
They can since they are direct competitors.

Price sets expectations. If you tie your service to lower tier pricing , you are indirectly communicating that your service value is substantially lower.

This calculus is literally happening in administrators minds. They so much have admitted this in the past.

Re:Bloated College Administration Is Making Education Unaffo... by Balgair on Monday November 07, 2022 @11:06AM (#33507627)
Just want to caution that the legalese is really important here. I know that at Stanford all the IP and patents stay with the researcher. Meaning that they keep all the money from their discoveries. Contrast this with the UCs where you have to sell the UCs your patents and IP for $1.