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Re:BBC: Twitter users jump to Mastodon – but what is it? by sangnoir on Sunday November 06, 2022 @03:45PM (#33496905)
> I want a world where people have actual ownership over their computing, but federated system designs like Mastodon will not get us that and we have thirty years of failure to prove it.

Counterpoint: email has been working great for the past 30 years.

The reason why email works over centralized schemes is because it has tiered decentralized controls - sending server, relays (when they were a thing), receiving servers and the client each have an opportunity to accept, reject or drop a message.

Mastodon has a great chance of succeeding. All it needs is an easy-to-use client,decent discovery and giving users control of what they see. It does not have to be a constellation of mini-Twitters.

Re:BBC: Twitter users jump to Mastodon – but what is it? by crazygringo on Sunday November 06, 2022 @04:04PM (#33497128)
> email has been working great for the past 30 years

When spam means you're either flooded with garbage or are forced to just totally block potentially innocent senders (like people running private mail servers)...

...and probably 95%+ of people I know use Gmail for their personal accounts...

...I'm not sure e-mail is the best example of federation working great.

Re:BBC: Twitter users jump to Mastodon – but what is it? by dzikimarian on Sunday November 06, 2022 @04:26PM (#33497391)
Still you can pick any server you want, any client you want, move your data freely if you are not happy with provider. And there's no corporation that can say that tomorrow you are going to pay $5/month more or you can kiss your contacts goodbye (sure you can loose your address if you don't have own domain, but you still can access the network).

I will gladly take it over closed protocol, even if it has reaction gifs built in.

Re:BBC: Twitter users jump to Mastodon – but what is it? by fossuser on Sunday November 06, 2022 @03:51PM (#33496981)
Replied here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33496458

Email is an example of a federated system failure.

Re:BBC: Twitter users jump to Mastodon – but what is it? by sangnoir on Sunday November 06, 2022 @04:07PM (#33497163)
That's very strange definition of failure: many non-homogenous systems have Pareto distributions. That in itself is not indicative of failure.

30 years ago, AOL may have been most popular email provider, it was displaced by Hotmail, then Yahoo, now GMail. Having different leaders over time is evidence of the resounding success of email federation, those domains still exist and can still send/receive emails universally. If email had hypothetically been non-federated and proprietary to AOL, it would be dead today (or as close to it as gopher)

Re:BBC: Twitter users jump to Mastodon – but what is it? by fossuser on Sunday November 06, 2022 @04:13PM (#33497239)
You can’t run your own node and majority of users are on one system - that’s failure to me.
Re:BBC: Twitter users jump to Mastodon – but what is it? by sangnoir on Sunday November 06, 2022 @04:51PM (#33497701)
I do run my own mail server on my own domain - so thank you for affirming that email is not a failure.