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Re:Level responds to lock picker opening its $330 Apple Stor... by Allezxandre on Saturday November 05, 2022 @10:56PM (#33488385)
I understand where Level is coming from with this response, but cybersecurity has taught us better.

Yes, less than 10% of attacks use this exploit, but now that it’s public that you’re vulnerable to it, you become a target for 100% of attacks involving this exploit.

So for instance, if the delivery address of Level customers leak (and given the security of their physical locks, I would say them having bad cyber-security practices is not something too far-fetched), a malicious attacker would essentially have a database of home addresses with users that have bought a $300 locker that he can break into with the help of any YouTube tutorial

Re:Level responds to lock picker opening its $330 Apple Stor... by userbinator on Saturday November 05, 2022 @11:32PM (#33488625)
Spoiler: the majority of typical residence locks are no better, and in reality there are far less malicious attackers than you think.
Re:Level responds to lock picker opening its $330 Apple Stor... by plorkyeran on Saturday November 05, 2022 @11:41PM (#33488681)
I don't expect a $5 to try to do much beyond preventing someone from accidentally opening the door. I do expect a $329 lock to not skimp on basic features to cut a dollar off the BOM.
Re:Level responds to lock picker opening its $330 Apple Stor... by MBCook on Saturday November 05, 2022 @11:58PM (#33488782)
I remember looking at this lock. I really wondered how strong it was because the battery is in the deadbolt. How easy would it be to smash the door open?

I never even considered a bump key might work. And raking? It’s like they’re not even trying.

You’re right with the $5. This now sounds like a $5 lock with automation around it. I’m not saying it needs to be the best lock on the market but come on.

And Level’s response is just sad. It’s very clear they got caught flat footed (shouldn’t happen) and are trying a bad move-the-goalposts to save face.

By their argument you don’t even need a key. Just let someone insert an Allen wrench to turn the bolt directly! No one breaks into houses that way. It’s secure!

Wow.

Re:Level responds to lock picker opening its $330 Apple Stor... by zdragnar on Sunday November 06, 2022 @01:58AM (#33489606)
So long as the battery is on the inside piece, it really isn't much different from a manual deadbolt. There's some extra gears and the motor, but they're going to be behind plates of metal- if you are taking a crowbar or hammer to one, you'll make enough noise that you might as well just break a window.

On the other hand, a super distinctive deadbolt on your front door that is known to be easy to open with a bobby pin is basically anti-security as you are advertising that your home can be entered without leaving a trace.

Re:Level responds to lock picker opening its $330 Apple Stor... by SoftTalker on Saturday November 05, 2022 @11:57PM (#33488777)
A locked door is not going to stop someone entering your house if they really want to get in. Doesn't matter what lock.
Re:Level responds to lock picker opening its $330 Apple Stor... by bombcar on Sunday November 06, 2022 @12:22AM (#33488964)
The key is if they're trying to get into your house or if they're just casing the neighborhood looking for appropriate targets.

It's the "only have to run faster than you" joke.

And since this lock is a joke, having one is a nice little advertisement.

Re:Level responds to lock picker opening its $330 Apple Stor... by heynowheynow on Sunday November 06, 2022 @03:35AM (#33490474)
That's a chicken-little argument of false equivocation. There is often to always a level of security sufficient to make forced entry too costly.
Re:Level responds to lock picker opening its $330 Apple Stor... by bobbylarrybobby on Saturday November 05, 2022 @11:58PM (#33488781)
If you’re gonna have your house robbed anyway you might as well save on the lock. Even better if you don’t add your name to a database of people with weak locks.
Re:Level responds to lock picker opening its $330 Apple Stor... by jbverschoor on Sunday November 06, 2022 @12:11AM (#33488882)
Yup.. only takes one data leak