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Re:We've filed a lawsuit against GitHub Copilot by Filligree on Thursday November 03, 2022 @09:14PM (#33460407)
I'm game.

What terrible outcome will we see from a lack of copyright law?

Re:We've filed a lawsuit against GitHub Copilot by anikom15 on Thursday November 03, 2022 @09:48PM (#33460779)
Someone with more money and more resources than you profiting off your work.
Re:We've filed a lawsuit against GitHub Copilot by account42 on Friday November 04, 2022 @06:39AM (#33464439)
So same as with copyright then.
Re:We've filed a lawsuit against GitHub Copilot by blackbrokkoli on Friday November 04, 2022 @08:37AM (#33465560)
Fair theoretical point.

Please do name one industry, niche or platform where copyright does actually prevent this from happening in any meaningful way today.

Re:We've filed a lawsuit against GitHub Copilot by ImPostingOnHN on Saturday November 05, 2022 @05:42PM (#33486145)
use of GPL code in a subset (obviously not all) of proprietary software
Re:We've filed a lawsuit against GitHub Copilot by anikom15 on Monday November 07, 2022 @05:45PM (#33513612)
No. I’m not the one arguing for the system to change. It’s up to you to explain how my hypothetical scenario wouldn’t exist in a copyright-free world.
Re:We've filed a lawsuit against GitHub Copilot by an1sotropy on Thursday November 03, 2022 @09:54PM (#33460843)
Well, Linux might not exist, at least not in its current nature form, enabled by a “share and share alike” license that has meant that companies contribute to it instead of copying and closing it off from others.

More generally, what is left to protect any creative work besides guarding physical access? Why would any company make any movie or tv show if it could be copied and redistributed by others endlessly the moment it gets shown once?

Re:We've filed a lawsuit against GitHub Copilot by account42 on Friday November 04, 2022 @06:25AM (#33464314)
That's assuming the only way to fund the creation of something is to sell copies after the fact. And assuming that people only create for monetary compensation.

There have been creative endeavous before copyright and there would be creative endeavours after copyright. Perhaps even more since people are free to remix and share without restrictions.

Re:We've filed a lawsuit against GitHub Copilot by skydhash on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:48PM (#33461408)
I'm from a country which basically ignore all copyright laws in practice. The musical scene relies on live sessions to generate any money, and the movie scene (which was never anything special) is mostly dead. That's because any media that hits the market is copied and sold everywhere. Even books, if they got popular, will get copied and sold with little enforcement, at every corner.

This is mostly because the means to copy requires little effort compared to the act of creating. So, there is no incentive to create because you wouldn't make a living out of it. Imagine spending two years writing a book and someone buys one and copy it to sell at 25%. He can make a profit at a lower threshold than you, so you as a creator cannot compete.

Re:We've filed a lawsuit against GitHub Copilot by blackoil on Friday November 04, 2022 @12:30AM (#33462207)
>The musical scene relies on live sessions to generate any money

That's true even in USA (with strong copyrights), apart from for top .1%

Re:We've filed a lawsuit against GitHub Copilot by account42 on Friday November 04, 2022 @06:33AM (#33464380)
> the movie scene (which was never anything special) is mostly dead

To be fair, from my experience most countries don't have much of a movie scene even with copyright and instead mostly import hollywood stuff.

> This is mostly because the means to copy requires little effort compared to the act of creating. So, there is no incentive to create because you wouldn't make a living out of it. Imagine spending two years writing a book and someone buys one and copy it to sell at 25%. He can make a profit at a lower threshold than you, so you as a creator cannot compete.

So don't compete by selling copies but by funding the creation up front. No one is claiming that abolishing copyright won't be disruptive to any existing business models - in fact, that's the point: once something becomes part of our shared culture it is ridiculous to let one entity continue to have exclusive rights so if your business model relies on continued royalties, find a better one.

Otherwise, perhaps consider continued payments to everyone who built your house, computer and whatever else you use if you think that is a great way for society to function. Don't worry, the way things are going we might get there via technical means anyway.

Re:We've filed a lawsuit against GitHub Copilot by blackbrokkoli on Friday November 04, 2022 @08:56AM (#33465799)
What do you describe is true everywhere. Books were never a get-rich-quick-scheme. There are like seven bands in all of history that get significant revenue from anything other than live shows.

But what do you mean, no incentive to create?

The Tao Te Ching was reluctantly written after the author was begged by his pupils. Most Greek philosopher's teachings were only written down after their death because other people thought that's an important job. On The Origin Of Species is a book because that was just the normal way to communicate scientific findings in Darwin's time. Da Vinci saw some fat commissions in his life, but Mona Lisa certainly never brought him any money. In fact, out of my twenty favorite artists maybe two saw anything approaching fame in their lifetime.

Please, go to some random DeviantArt page or Spotify profile or GitHub repo with 3 views and tell me why it exists when the only reason for human creation is dollars and red carpets...what a sad perspective, really