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Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by colechristensen on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:07AM (#33451196)
I think whatever a leader does which isn’t ritual suicide when announcing layoffs is going to get criticism. People in power hired when expecting an uptick and fired when expecting a downtick.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by ryandrake on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:34AM (#33451623)
That's kind of the fundamental problem of megawealth: You can't actually be held accountable for anything short of "ritual suicide". When a senior exec or CxO screws up, what conceivably could punish them? Lose their salary for a year? Ineffective. The wealthy make more from interest on their investments than they could ever need to live. What else could punish them? Their stock value going down? Oooh.. Mark Zuckerberg's personally lost $76B in the last 12 months, more than the entire shareholder value loss of Enron's collapse. Zucc still has so much money that an uncountable number of generations of his offspring will still never need to work again in their lives.

Why do people keep working and earning more when they are set for life--what actual practical purpose does megawealth serve once you've guaranteed your standard of living for you and your offspring? The purpose is lack of accountability. Megawealth means you can spend every remaining day of your life screwing up, and besides doing something illegal that lands you in jail, you'll never suffer a consequence.

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by cbreynoldson on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:53AM (#33451914)
> Why do people keep working and earning more when they are set for life--what actual practical purpose does megawealth serve once you've guaranteed your standard of living for you and your offspring?

I think this is the wrong question to ask -- "what end is this a means to anymore". One of the largest challenges in life is pursuit of meaning, and Zuck has, at least he thinks, found it. He still has consequences, but they are higher up on Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

You could argue that those in charge should have enough at stake to feel the burn of a layoff like this, but this issue isn't dissimilar to biology. We often make local (and temporary) sacrifices on behalf our own bodies, knowing "we" will still be around afterwards to enjoy life and the removed parts won't (removing limbs, wiping out blood cells, organ removal, etc.). This isn't 1:1 with Zuck, because Zuck is more than just his role in Meta, but close enough.

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by SpicyLemonZest on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:53AM (#33451928)
People keep working and earning more because they genuinely enjoy doing it. Would you really prefer the traditional alternative, where rich people become full-time idlers and look down their noses at those of us who have jobs?
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by ryandrake on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:36AM (#33452665)
> Would you really prefer the traditional alternative, where rich people become full-time idlers and look down their noses at those of us who have jobs?

Actually, yes, as it could open up career opportunities for others further down the totem pole. At almost every company I've ever worked, the CxO, SVP, VP roles were all hogged up by already-set-for-life people (or people who became set for life by working there a few years). They just hang on to those very senior roles like barnacles, while the rank and file fight each other their whole careers for a few open Director or manager roles.

If already-rich people could just admit they won the game and gracefully resign to "spend more time with their family" or "look down their noses" or whatever rich people like to do, maybe some of those Directors could be promoted to VPs and some of those managers could be promoted to Director and so on. This would help refresh the tree a little, cycle new blood through leadership, and help even more people climb the ladder.

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by Apocryphon on Thursday November 03, 2022 @01:52PM (#33454776)
They could always get into VC.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by candiddevmike on Thursday November 03, 2022 @10:43AM (#33451765)
Layoff seppuku, if the CEO can't do it then the CFO must decapitate them. It's in all the standard corporate by-laws.
Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by goodpoint on Thursday November 03, 2022 @11:22AM (#33452424)
When companies stock value tanks CEOs quit... after giving themselves some million-dollar exit bonuses.

Is that ritual suicide?

Re:Stripe Layoff 14% of Workforce by smcl on Thursday November 03, 2022 @12:58PM (#33453939)
No, they’re making a business decision and they should simply treat it as such and avoid the whole “please understand how hard this is for me, the guy who will continue getting a very large paycheque” thing, that makes it worse.

If they just give it to you straight, there’s no bullshit - the people fired may be mad or upset but they'll be mad or upset regardless because being fired sucks. If they start hand-wringing, talking about how painful it was for them and how they take full responsibility people will ask “hang on, how exactly is this painful for you? how are you taking responsibility, what are you doing about it?”