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Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by neilk on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @04:16PM (#33426866)
You are correct. The greatest threat to someone providing a service based on an open protocol is that users might pick up and leave.

Consequently, a service provider will plow enormous resources into differentiating their service, and generating other lock-in effects, so the users find it hard to leave.

A popular open source protocol is actually the perfect playing field for a would-be monopolist.

The monopolist can make their service better and better with cash and execution, but meanwhile the protocol is stuck at a baseline since a varied ecosystem doesn't upgrade itself as quickly. So it is less and less attractive.

Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by mkmk3 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @04:37PM (#33427148)
> A popular open source protocol is actually the perfect playing field for a would-be monopolist.

Whereas when there's no popular open source protocol, the OSS ecosystem upgrades itself fast, like a cheetah? :P Whatever mental model you're using here might just be going over my head and I'd appreciate you being more explicit about it

Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by thrown_22 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @08:27PM (#33429870)
Microsoft: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by andsoitis on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @10:08PM (#33430645)
What's an example of an open protocol (what this thread is about) where MSFT successfully followed this strategy?
Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by thrown_22 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @10:31PM (#33430795)
HTML before IE6. At one point Microsoft owned the web browser market to the same degree that Google owns it today.
Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by bogantech on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:18AM (#33433573)
Anything from this century?
Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by thrown_22 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @07:48AM (#33434211)
IE6 was the most popular web browser until 2008. It wasn't until 2010 that we finally could somewhat ignore it when it dropped below 20% market share. It was a happy day when I could completely ignore it in corporate in 2018 when it was uninstalled from all computers.
Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by mkmk3 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:28AM (#33431995)
Riiigght, that makes some sense, thank you! Need to consider to understand if open source is really advantageous, but you've pointed out how it might be
Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by the_other on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @04:23PM (#33426966)
> A popular open source protocol is actually the perfect playing field for a would-be monopolist.

At first I thought "email seems a good example of this: most people don't want to leave Google, I don't want to leave FastMail"... but then I remembered that I could just leave FastMail and take my email to Google. Which proves the upthread point about the open protocol being a safety net for users.

Can you talk about some examples of monopolised open protocols?

Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by neilk on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @05:27PM (#33427747)
Email is the paradigmatic example. You can export your mailbox and use `pine` if that's your jam. But in the real world, most users of Gmail will depend on at least one feature of Gmail that isn't easily replicable elsewhere.
Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by giobox on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @05:32PM (#33427815)
I wonder what gmail's churn rate even is? It is surely staggeringly close to zero.
Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by sokoloff on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @04:16AM (#33432644)
I wouldn’t be surprised if they have more churn via death (people, companies, abandoned projects) than any other single source.
Re:Centralization Is Inevitable by the_other on Thursday November 03, 2022 @06:52PM (#33459073)
> Email is the paradigmatic example

But there's no monopoly. There's feature-based lock-in built around the open protocols, and it's very effective, but it's not a monopoly.