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Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by jitl on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @09:37AM (#33421044)
Lobsters is wonderful for hard-banning politic, more programming focused, but is even more groupthink-heavy in the Haskell direction which gets a little boring. Conversations on programming are usually more informed, but also more predictable. They also ban really great contributors like https://github.com/BurntSushi for “self-promotion” which is very frustrating to me. I still visit both sites and probably comment more here still.

https://lobste.rs/u/jitl

Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by Beltalowda on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @09:45AM (#33421158)
> They also ban really great contributors like https://github.com/BurntSushi for “self-promotion” which is very frustrating to me.

BurntSushi was most definitely not banned; he removed his own account.

Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by gerikson on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @09:46AM (#33421164)
BurntSushi wasn't banned, they left the site voluntarily after reading a possibly inflammatory canned passage in a moderation message.
Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by burntsushi on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @09:46AM (#33421170)
This is misinformation. I wasn't banned. And I was never warned about self-promotion. I left because I got flagged so much by my fellow community members that the web site promoted a banner that asked me to consider leaving[1].

I don't understand why people lie so blatantly like this. Please stop.

[1]: https://twitter.com/burntsushi5/status/1399543042261061633

Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by PainfullyNormal on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @10:13AM (#33421496)
> This is misinformation.

> I don't understand why people lie so blatantly like this.

Why assume malicious intent? Couldn't he just be wrong?

Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by burntsushi on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @11:28AM (#33422533)
"misinformation" (in contrast to "disinformation") does not say anything about intent, so you're wrong to quote that part.

"lie" does indeed carry some connotation of bad intent, and I am totally fine casting that here. I show no quarter to falsehoods, especially today, and especially when they're clearly being used to support a narrative.

This isn't some easy to mix up thing. I went on public record saying why I left. And there was an entire discussion about it. There was never any confusion about why I left. If you're still going to say things that are untrue to push your own narrative, then I'm totally fine calling you out as a liar at that point. It's not even like they just got mixed up between "banning" and "leaving," they also went out of their way to make up some bullshit about why I got banned. There has never been any kind of issue of self-promotion between me and Lobsters, at least none that was ever communicated to me and none that I or anyone else ever publicly communicated.

If the OP wasn't a liar, then they're at best negligent.

And if my behavior is what speaks out to you as bad, then you don't understand Brandolini's law.

Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by PainfullyNormal on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @11:48AM (#33422825)
> "misinformation" (in contrast to "disinformation") does not say anything about intent, so you're wrong to quote that part.

Misinformation. Noun. False or inaccurate information, especially that which is *deliberately intended to deceive*.

I stand by my statement.

> I went on public record saying why I left. And there was an entire discussion about it. There was never any confusion about why I left.

Which he clearly hasn't read. Not everybody lives online and not everybody is personally familiar with you and your situation. It certainly doesn't explain why you're inappropriately assuming malicious intent.

> If you're still going to say things that are untrue to push your own narrative

Where is he trying to push a narrative? I looked at his post history here and on Lobsters before posting. This is the first time he's ever mentioned it or brought it up.

> And if my behavior is what speaks out to you as bad

Yes. Even moreso now that you've explained. You could have corrected his statement without acting like the world's out to get you or that he intended you personal harm.

Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by burntsushi on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @11:57AM (#33422996)
Out to get me? Personal harm? Lol. Brandolini's law is in full force here.

> Which he clearly hasn't read.

Wait... so you can know what they've read, but I can't know that they're a liar? Talk about having your cake and eating it too!

Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by PainfullyNormal on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @12:08PM (#33423177)
From the HN guidelines: "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."
Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by burntsushi on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @12:45PM (#33423693)
So this is the "strongest plausible interpretation" of my behavior?

> You could have corrected his statement without acting like the world's out to get you or that he intended you personal harm.

Get off your high horse buddy. The HN guidelines don't mean you can't call a spade a spade. What was said was so blatantly false that it's reasonable to assume it's a lie IMO, and now you've started a shit fight because you didn't like that I took just a modicum of liberty.

Congrats in your successful troll. But I won't make that mistake with you again.

Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by Beltalowda on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @01:10PM (#33424069)
> Misinformation. Noun. False or inaccurate information, especially that which is deliberately intended to deceive.

You are free to define words for yourself however you want, but "deliberately intended to deceive" is not a common requirement for "misinformation" AFAIK. e.g. it does not appear in e.g. Merriam-Webster or many other dictionaries; most just define it as "Information that is incorrect" or some variant thereof, which is also how I would use the word, neutral of any value judgement.

And even if it was, "especially" does not mean "exclusively". In my observation most "misinformation" is not spread deliberately; the root of it may be, but not the people who spread and amplify it.

Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by jitl on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @02:15PM (#33440463)
Oops! I misremembered things. I shouldn't have used your name – what I remembered is that you're gone, and other contributors who posted great content (that they themselves wrote) and good comments have also been banned for "self promotion". I conflated the two, but not maliciously/intentionally.
Re:Ask HN: Getting a Lobster.s Invite in '22 by burntsushi on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @06:34PM (#33443820)
Fair enough. Thanks for clarifying. Although I have never seen any case of banning by self promotion that I thought wasn't warranted.

Basically, you used my name to support a narrative that Lobsters moderation is too heavy handed. But I have actually thought that Lobsters moderation wasn't strict enough. I wanted more moderation, not less, in order to raise the level of discourse.