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Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by steve_adams_86 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @01:40AM (#33417391)
I’m going darker by the day. I don’t seek out news, and when I do read it, I tend to feel disturbed by how little it presents as reporting, and instead, how much it appears to have an agenda.

I could do better. I followed the Ukraine-Russia war for a while, and although I wasn’t glued to it, I put too much focus on it.

There is literally nothing that happens when I know what’s going on there. Nothing at all. It distracts me from my family, friends, work, and myself. I have no interesting insights or original thoughts about it, and if I did, absolutely no one would care. So why read it?

I think it’s worth getting a sense of where things are every quarter or so? Over time I feel myself moving further towards that kind of pattern, and I spend far more time interested in my little corner of the world. I read relatively more local reporting and look at what’s happening with my municipality, the mayoral and council proceedings, try to find out what’s changing with local problems, etc. But even that isn’t a requirement.

I’m getting involved with a 50 year plan to help restore a watershed. Things like this seem infinitely more important and worthwhile than the news.

Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by drak0n1c on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @02:02AM (#33417542)
Just today I ran across this widely promoted ABC/CBS article claiming that "Texas, Oklahoma ranked among least safest states in the country". The type of supposedly non-opinion flavor piece syndicated above-the-fold in Windows 11 Search, Apple News, Android home pages, and Reddit/Twitter defaults.

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/texas-oklahoma-ranked-among...

It turns out that it is wholly based on a corporate PR puff piece by Wallethub, with a very pseudoscientific and manipulative use of statistics to reach its conclusions. The arbitrary weight assigned to the entire category of physical and property crimes was 15%. Bullying incident count was weighted as more important than drug overdoses. And when factoring in Covid, they weighted based on vaccination rates - not actual local hospitalizations/deaths.

https://wallethub.com/edu/safest-states-to-live-in/4566

Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by tobyjsullivan on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @02:39AM (#33417766)
Just for fun, it's also worth noting that "Texas, Oklahoma ranked among least safest states in the country" doesn't actually mean anything - at least not anything of importance. It feels like it should mean those states are "unsafe" but that's not necessarily true.

There must always be a "most safe" and "least safe" state (by a given measure) - but if the spread between them is insignificant then that's not particularly important information. Even less so when the headline qualifies with "ranks among" so they're not even the actual least safe.

Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by socialismisok on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @02:22AM (#33417672)
Drug overdoses are probably a pretty minor impact to safety though, right? And vaccination rates are a pretty standard way to indicate the safety of a community against a virus...
Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by skellington on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @03:04AM (#33417934)
Sure, so I guess you're being willingly misled here because the most important thing is dunking on red states due to your politics. So, if some random article says "Dallas is less safe than NYC," you are forced to believe it even though the article weighted covid vaccine rate at 90% and murder at 10%.
Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by tomjakubowski on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @03:21AM (#33418038)
The average American is much more likely to die from Covid than from murder (and, in the recent past, Covid was the far more likely fate), so this doesn't seem crazy on its face.
Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by cudgy on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @08:24AM (#33420216)
What is an average American?
Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by socialismisok on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @10:53AM (#33422018)
The number of deaths divided by the number of Americans. The phrase "average American" is shorthand for "statistically across all Americans".
Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by leereeves on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @12:07PM (#33423157)
Sure, but the relevant statistic is Covid death rate, not vaccination rate. And by death rate, Texas is actually #21 (#1 being best) among states and surprisingly safer than New York:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covi...

Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by socialismisok on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @10:57AM (#33422085)
I have no interest in dunking on red states or praising blue ones. I think that divide is both stupid and missing the point. We're way better served by looking at things like class divide, imo.

Also, the methodology gave murders per Capita double weight and vaccine percentages double weight. Both are numbers bound between 0 and 1, and both have a significant impact on population safety.

So no, I'd much rather talk about why someone would make those weightings and what the correct ratings should be using a statistical analysis mixed with some judgements of how safe I feel in the face of those statistics.

Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by groceryheist on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @03:04AM (#33417937)
> There is literally nothing that happens if I know what’s going on there.

> Nothing at all. It distracts me from my family, friends, work, and myself.

> I have no interesting insights or original thoughts about it, and if I did,

> absolutely no one would care. So why read it?

Do you vote or participate in politics in any way or do events in the news directly affect your life? One reason it's rational to read the news: If you don't read the news, then you're at risk of lacking important contextual knowledge about society and social norms. It's pragmatic to keep track of these conversations to avoid embarrassment and to not behave in ways that might offend others. I find it useful to be aware of contentious issues on which I might have a side or a stake.

Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by gernb on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @03:13AM (#33417992)
> > I tend to feel disturbed by how little it presents as reporting, and instead, how much it appears to have an agenda.

> If you don't read the news, then you're at risk of lacking important contextual knowledge about society and social norms.

Unfortunately there's very little news that doesn't have an agenda. So I'm not getting the news. I'm getting someone's opinions with various facts spun in a way so as to try to get me to vote one way or another. Is that a better way to be informed on how to vote?

Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by unfoldedCravat on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @06:20AM (#33419206)
As Mark Twain once said "If you don’t read the newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed."

I guess it's up to the individual to choose what they prefer.

Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by mdp2021 on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @07:02AM (#33419515)
You may note that it is substantially symmetrical to

"To be, or not to be ...: Whether 'tis nobler ... to sleep No more ... [or] in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune"

I.e.: if you want to participate, then some degree of effort is involved.

Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by shaky-carrousel on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @03:20AM (#33418033)
I'm too old to feel embarrassed over what other people think about me.

And I already gave up the game of trying not to offend people. I say what I think, and if it happens that I offend someone, I'll consider it when it happens and apologize or ignore it, depending on if it makes sense to me.

Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by GoblinSlayer on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @04:48AM (#33418550)
There's a story how an ancient egyptian priest complained about contemporary youth being disrespectful to elderly. Social and economic circumstances differ, but it feels like the theory of ethics was mostly the same.
Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by joshspankit on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @07:21AM (#33419682)
> If you don't read the news, then you're at risk of lacking important contextual knowledge about society and social norms.

It’s been at least a decade since news has been a reflection of social norms (I’m in Canada). It feels more and more disconnected and like they’re either pushing agendas or simply filling airtime so they can serve the right amount of ads.

Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by steve_adams_86 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:48AM (#33431803)
This is what I find most troubling. It really does seem to be a spectacle that’s meant to capture attention, only rooted in reality insofar that it’s based off of real-world topics we all recognize and only ostensibly care about.
Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by ohCh6zos on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @10:53AM (#33422014)
Interestingly if you everyone went dark news driven social norms would have to disappear.
Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by steve_adams_86 on Wednesday November 02, 2022 @01:41AM (#33431771)
A lot of news is extremely hard to avoid and I’ll inevitably be exposed to it. If it seems important like the types of topics you’re describing, I’ll carve out some time to find out if it’s actually important.

Most of it is a spectacle and my actions and point of view are entirely irrelevant to it. Frankly, I don’t believe a lot of the news is even rooted in reality. To have a point of view on it, or to have feelings about it, would be to lend legitimacy to something I sincerely believe is part of a bizarre, performative, ephemeral blob of social invention. I don’t mean to sound absurd or like a conspiracy theorist at all; I really can’t see how much of what’s in the media is remotely objective or connected to any kind of shared reality that is practical and sane.

As far as being embarrassed, I find I can get by with simply listening to people and letting them get their ideas across. They like to express themselves and I’m content to listen. I typically won’t be embarrassed because no one really cares what I think or what I think I know, too. No one asks unless I say something in the first place.

I think we’re encouraged to believe it’s some other way, but if you keep to yourself you’ll find very quickly that indeed, almost no one cares. Even here on hacker news, the vast majority of readers don’t care about what I wrote. It’s irrelevant to them, and that’s okay. It’s probably a good thing.

The only people in my tiny corner of all of this who have any remote concerns about me are right here, near me, in my life. The rest is mostly a spectacle. If it can effect me, the chances that I can effect it in any meaningful way are infinitely tiny.

I do vote, too, but again… I’m not convinced it means what people think it means, or that it leads to things I hope it will. On the other hand, by working on local concerns I can actually make a difference. The changes we can make like restoring a watershed to improve wildlife diversity, reduce erosion, improve runoff capacity, and so on can be a real model for improving these features of other municipalities. That can matter many times more than a vote for the leader of my country; it can lead to real data that people turn to improve the places they live in. It seems totally uninteresting and pointless compared to the notion of democracy and national governance, but from my point of view, it’s far more pragmatic and connected to reality.

I agree with you overall. I want to be aware of contentious issues on which I might have a side or a stake too. I think the difference between us is only that I think the scope of these issues is extremely small; there’s very little I come across in my day where it truly matters at all what I believe, and any stake I may have is almost exclusively relevant to me alone.

Re:Ask HN: Have you stopped reading most news? by Vespasian on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @03:16AM (#33418005)
Getting involved in local politics was what helped me to scratch the itch of doing something to improve society.

At least in my area there is a surprising large number of things the city council can do to improve (or not improve) the everyday lives of me and my loved one.

I love that those decisions are usually very accessible in that they don't concern themselves with big sweeping legal frameworks and fundamental political ideologies.

Even without being a council member it feels nice to ride on a bike lane that you helped to bring to live.

You don't "win" everytime of course but you tend to learn a lot about how other political factions think on a local level.