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Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by linuxhansl on Monday October 31, 2022 @03:46PM (#33411770)
I think we live in a dangerous time. We have always disagreed on things and discussed and occasionally fought over them. This is healthy and needed (except any violence).

It is important to realize that even as we disagreed, we still used to agree on basic facts and then fought over what best to do next.

That is what is different now! We now live in a culture where any discussion can simply be ended with "Your facts are wrong", or "I have alternative facts". A reasonable discourse is not possible this way.

It takes just one "side" to take such a stance for society to fall into camps. I think that is what we see happening.

Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by amadeuspagel on Monday October 31, 2022 @04:39PM (#33412682)
> It is important to realize that even as we disagreed, we still used to agree on basic facts and then fought over what best to do next.

What are these basic facts that people used to agree on, but now don't agree on anymore?

Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by lifeisgood99 on Monday October 31, 2022 @05:14PM (#33413272)
Election results come to mind.
Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by amadeuspagel on Monday October 31, 2022 @05:29PM (#33413490)
Wikipedia has a list of controversial elections in the US[1].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_controversial_election...

Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by throwayyy479087 on Monday October 31, 2022 @06:03PM (#33413939)
I know a lot of people who believe Gore won and that Bush stole the election. This is nothing new.
Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by colinmhayes on Monday October 31, 2022 @08:26PM (#33415360)
Tons of people in Florida with the same name as felons were purged right before the election. Those people were overwhelmingly black and likely to vote for gore. I think hardly anyone says that’s a stolen election, but it’s definitely a bit suspect. As far as I can tell there isn’t really any reason to claim 2020 was stolen, it’s 100% bs. No one was disenfranchised, although the house republicans tried to disenfranchise the entire state of Arizona on January 6th.
Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by throwayyy479087 on Monday October 31, 2022 @08:59PM (#33415642)
My entire family thinks 2000 was stolen and you at least slightly agree. These claims are not new to American democracy.
Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by colinmhayes on Monday October 31, 2022 @09:40PM (#33415920)
But who is disagreeing on facts? Stolen is an opinion about whether the purge qualifies or not. The 2020 deniers have no fact based claim at all.
Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by unit_circle on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @12:10AM (#33416810)
Vaccine science
Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by amadeuspagel on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @05:39AM (#33418913)
Anti-vaxxers have existed for as long as vaccines[1].

[1]: https://historyofvaccines.org/vaccines-101/misconceptions-ab...

Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by jpadkins on Monday October 31, 2022 @04:08PM (#33412178)
So what is the solution? Will left wing leaders and role models start accepting facts? Or listening when facts are being presented to them? I think this is a time where Obama could become a truly great leader by setting an example to the left wing culture that they can't make up the truth, and they have to listen to the other side when they are presenting facts.

Any other way to solve this crisis? How do we reach younger Democrats to convince them that this culture is creating a dangerous time period?

Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by QuietWatchtower on Monday October 31, 2022 @04:33PM (#33412587)
bruh what? why did you bring the democratic party and obama into this?
Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by jpadkins on Tuesday November 01, 2022 @10:01AM (#33421360)
I didn't bring democratic party into this. The GP was clearly talking about the left wing in the US.
Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by AlexandrB on Monday October 31, 2022 @04:56PM (#33412971)
Funny stuff. You have a significant portion of Republicans believing in an anonymous Q-clearance government official who's fighting the "deep state" by posting on 8chan but it turns out it's the Democrats who have lost touch with reality.
Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by twblalock on Monday October 31, 2022 @06:11PM (#33414007)
Honestly the 1700s and 1800s were far worse in terms of both misinformation and mob violence than what we are going through now. Look at what happened to Andrew Jackson's wife, for example.

There was no golden age where everyone agreed on the same basic set of facts.

Re:Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinforma... by GoblinSlayer on Monday October 31, 2022 @06:14PM (#33414059)
Was anybody beaten for solipsism?