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Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday October 30, 2022 @11:14PM (#33401669)
> did not strike me as a dig

It wasn't a dig. It was calling out a bullshit move that, in my opinion, Andrej deployed out of panic more than strategically. (My evidence for this being Andrej eventually gave a good answer.)

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by ion_fury on Sunday October 30, 2022 @11:46PM (#33401835)
i just dont get it. lex says "lets re-frame the question: can a language model drive a car?" this doesnt have any insinuations about andrej's intentions or motives. if it were calling out bullshit it would be "lets re-frame the question: why is elon musk never wrong?"

lex kisses elon musks ass, last time i checked hes on musks side in the lidar debate and also lex has a record of listening patiently no matter what and i have never known him to check people or "call out their bullshit." lastly, what andrej did wasnt a bullshit move. re-framing a question has never been known as something people do only when they are being deceptive and it is very common in intellectually honest answers/explanations in my experience.

im still shocked because usually i see what other people see. but people calling this a dig/bullshit came out of left field for me. i hope i dont miss stuff like that more than i realize...

edit: i read your comment again and i didnt read it right. he panics, gives himself some more room, lex acknowledges this but in a prickly way. it makes sense but im still upset because when i watch it all i see is lex making a joke. i guess i have severe autism.

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by jholman on Monday October 31, 2022 @04:23AM (#33403230)
See my sibling comment, but I agree with you, especially about Lex's track record, and I think the other commenters are projecting.

And you're right, reframing a question is like THE MOVE for academics, so it's completely not evidence that Andrej was making "a bullshit move" (although it's also a classic move for PR flaks, so it's possible he was making a bullshit move).

Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by ion_fury on Monday October 31, 2022 @01:58PM (#33409819)
i looked at your account and, were you ever involved in real estate?
Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by jholman on Monday October 31, 2022 @04:33PM (#33412586)
I've read the fine-print terms of a mortgage perhaps half a dozen times.
Re:Andrej Karpathy: Why Tesla Removed Radar and Ultrasonic S... by jholman on Monday October 31, 2022 @04:21AM (#33403221)
I don't think it was calling out a bullshit move (and definitely not a dig)

a) Saying "I wonder when language models will do this" is a total Lex thing to say. That's what he's into.

b) Lex is almost always a softball interviewer, though one with interestingly deep knowledge. He interviews experts, and he errs on the side of respect. If you're looking for hardball, don't listen to Lex, it's not what he does. He almost never calls out bullshit, and he especially doesn't call out evasion.

Now, it's still possible that it was a panic-deployed evasion on Andrej's part, and whether or not that was his mentality, I agree that he gained nothing by it, and did not in fact reframe the question at all.